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coralvalley Lifeless Person

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Blaming television and video games is surely a copout in my opinion because a lot of what goes down happens within a home. That it not to say that parents are necessarily bad parents, but with the way that the world is run we see a lot of children who are essentially growing up on their own and teaching themselves how life should be. With the way the economy is we have parents that are both working within a home most of the time and children are on their own without supervision or even in a situation where parents who are not readily available with giving time to a child who is desperately in need of it try to overcompensate for not being around in other areas of a child's life by simply turning the cheek and not cracking down on disciplining a child when they do something that simply is not right. Sure, I know full well that the entire blame is not on the parents, but with children when they are on their own with no support system or nothing to do, their boredom leads to them branching out in some cases with peers or situations where they feel some kind of association and that often leads to some of this negative identification that a lot of them enter into with hating the world and feeling like they need to lash out.
I cannot even begin to tell you how many times in the last couple of months alone I have heard stories about hazing and various other forms of violence that have lead to something bigger. There was an incident not that long ago about a child threatening to blow up the school because he was hazed by fellow members of the football team, but the school rather than taking action against both parties, turned the other cheek about the athletes because the school was up for a championship, so they players were informed to keep tight lipped about their role in the other child lashing out. Granted the other child should not have threatened to lash out in violence against the school, but it makes you wonder if perhaps the school plays a hand in bringing violence into a situation. If there are no repercussions for an action that one group of children does against another simply because of athletic ability or other superficial reasons, I would imagine it would only breed contempt with other individuals that feel that they are being discriminated against. Again, I do not feel that is right, but it does tie into the whole need of discipline situation. If problems are taking care of when they first begin and someone is around to keep an eye on them whether it be a parent or a school administrator, then I would imagine that there would be less violence in schools. Sure, some could say that it ties into video games and television, but I think the real problems stem from the lack of support and guidance in the world so to speak. |
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Xtreme $niper Lifeless Person
Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 1450 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well before I get into the topic of violent video games, I wanted to say something else. Right off the bat when I read "Violence in Schools" the first thought that came to mind was the fact that these incidents with school shootings get so much media attention across the nation (and even the continent or the world) that it becomes a simple way of getting your suicidal message out to the world.
In Toronto, the TTC (transit commission) actually has a ban on media publications regarding any suicides or suicide attempts to discourage would-be track jumpers. I think this is effective because most people publicly kill themselves so that they can get their 15 minutes of fame.
On the topic of video games, I think if the child has no psychological issues that may hamper their ability to separate reality from virtual worlds, then I believe that there is a very slim chance that the video games would have any negative effect on them. A bad combination of this potential psychological issue and bad parenting (if the parent knows the child has issues, but still allows them to immerse themselves in games) can develop into a situation where video games might be the cause of some violent situation.
I don't ever believe that video games are the direct or only cause for someone to shoot up a school or a mall, or any other incident. I believe that there is always a true reason behind that excuse, such as depression, bad parenting that may involve lack of attention to the kid, or driving the kid insane with abnormal restrictions on social life events (as examples).
In the end, while games and television and movies may play a part in the violent nature of some people, I think that the true reason for such behavior falls back into the hands of the quality of life that person has been having recently. A guy can go from happy-go-lucky to suicidal depressed in a matter of weeks or even days, and all it takes is that kind of mood swing to trigger something bad to happen. _________________ Come visit Shattered Abstracts! (Photoblog!) |
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Scar Lifeless Person

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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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I don't blame tv or shows, or games or movies or anything. None of that crap has any affect on anyone. Has a movie or game ever made you wanna do something in real life? I doubt it.
Reading stuff on this forum doesn't make me wanna go read a book or anthing.. (lame metaphor or whatever ha)
I think the problem is being alone and actually being able to sit there and play the games and watch tv all the time. You get lonely, and start getting all weird, and then the people at school making fun of you just makes you build up hate. You can't let out any steam because you don't do anything really but stay in your room so it just builds.
I think the problem is not enough interactivity with others, and others not embracing the depressed and others. Love cures all. We need to start looking out for eachother, and forcing out kids to go out and play instead of staying inside all the time and becoming weirdos.
Blaming games, and other things like that are just excuses. Parents need to do more with their children.
Back in columbine, their parents didnt even know that they were building bombs in the basement. If their parents spent time with them and paid them attention then they most likely would've noticed bombs being created in the basement, and the shooter videos and everything.
Lack of parenting is a big cause i think also. _________________ http://www.snapcite.com | http://www.rootsOfevil.com | http://www.MJHQ.com |
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spock iSpock

Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2917 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| skrelk wrote: | | Not exactly. Making weapons harder to get would destroy self-defense rights, and wouldn't help, or if it did only treat the symptom, not the problem. |
Well, if there would be less weapons, there would be less reasons to have a weapon to defend yourself, so I believe that's kinda a reversed reason. I believe nobody should have a right to have weapons. (except police) That would make the world a safer place, and that would be the best way of self-defense. (though indirectly)
I also think that if you get really mad or something, or you feel really like killing someone for doing something, it's a quite easier to really do such thing if you already have a weapon at home or if it's easy to get one.
However, when you need to go through an awful lot of trouble, your anger and drive to kill someone will be a lot less.
I think the wide availability of guns makes it easier to just grab them and kill. _________________ My new site
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Maneechan Novice Poster

Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 17
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Talking about the media effect, I just finished watching this movie where a man use a long blade and pierce it into his head in full bloody gory view.
If impressionable young kids saw this, I really wonder what they will do since the movie portray this actor as a "cool guy." |
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clpo13 Zarkin' frood

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They'd have to be pretty stupid to think that sticking sharp objects into their heads is cool. _________________ "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." --Thomas Jefferson
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Xtreme $niper Lifeless Person
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Scar wrote: | I don't blame tv or shows, or games or movies or anything. None of that crap has any affect on anyone. Has a movie or game ever made you wanna do something in real life? I doubt it.
Reading stuff on this forum doesn't make me wanna go read a book or anthing.. (lame metaphor or whatever ha)
I think the problem is being alone and actually being able to sit there and play the games and watch tv all the time. You get lonely, and start getting all weird, and then the people at school making fun of you just makes you build up hate. You can't let out any steam because you don't do anything really but stay in your room so it just builds.
I think the problem is not enough interactivity with others, and others not embracing the depressed and others. Love cures all. We need to start looking out for eachother, and forcing out kids to go out and play instead of staying inside all the time and becoming weirdos.
Blaming games, and other things like that are just excuses. Parents need to do more with their children.
Back in columbine, their parents didnt even know that they were building bombs in the basement. If their parents spent time with them and paid them attention then they most likely would've noticed bombs being created in the basement, and the shooter videos and everything.
Lack of parenting is a big cause i think also. |
You raise a great point. Everybody (including myself) always just says that it's mainly bad parenting, or the parents just aren't doing their jobs to keep tabs on the kids and make sure that everything is doing A-OK in the upstairs department... But nobody that I know of has brought up the point that these kids may just simply be getting lonely. Nobody has said that parents have to spend more time with their kids (as a more specific version of the "better parenting" argument).
I think that might be quite a huge argument. If I recall my high school life correctly, I had a few semesters where I would be fairly lonely and all I would do is play games or just surf the net. Kinda depressing, even just thinking about it now. Regardless, I never ever had any thought of doing anything remotely stupid as hurting anyone, but I have to admit I was not a particularly happy kid during these periods of time.
Thankfully that is all behind me now, but the fact remains that loneliness can seriously get to you sometimes. Even possibly to a point where your otherwise sane common sense seems to take a turn towards insanity and you may or may not (depending on your willpower) throw all logical thought out the window for no good reason at all.
It's important to take note that most of these kids that are involved in school shootings have been reported to be depressed, harassed at school, quiet, lonely people. Of course, they find a game in his room and declare the fault to the easiest place they can --> the one that can't talk back. The media is sometimes used for good, but most of the time their desire for ratings gets in the way of their judgment, and so they report on things like this whilst putting the blame squarely on something that cannot even be proved to be a valid suspect.
It's sad, actually. Nobody seems to want to actually help these kids. They just want to point fingers and move on. _________________ Come visit Shattered Abstracts! (Photoblog!) |
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