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blightyred
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West Ham united will kick off the new season at home to Manchester city.
A nice opening fixture I am sure you will agree. First game against a team who have lost their best player and can't seem to find anyone to manage them.
In other news apparently we(Liverpool) are all set to purchase the Israeli international Yossi Benayoun from you. A bit of a strange target as he seems to be very hot and cold. All the Hammers I have spoken to have said they are not bothered about him leaving. Damned by faint praise indeed. Still it is a few quid in the kitty and Dean Ashton is on the mend.
Hopefully a decent season ahead for my second favourite Premiership club. |
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West_ham_hammer
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Just want to get peoples take on the Carlos Tevez transfer? Not really interested in going over old ground about the Sheffield United thing, they bored me a long time ago.
Every hour it seems brings a different news story on this transfer saga.
Do West Ham United own him as said in a statement by the West Ham United Chairman.
| whufc.com wrote: | 06/07/2007 18:22
The following is an official statement from West Ham United Chairman Eggert Magnusson...
"Carlos Tevez is a registered West Ham United player, contracted to the Club until June 2010.
"There is no agreement with West Ham United for Carlos Tevez to leave the Club and we expect him to return in time for next season's preparations.
"No decision on his future can be reached without the agreement of West Ham United." |
Or does his agent Kia Joorabchian and constant thorn in West Ham United's side own him?
Here is a brilliant article nicked from westham.wordpress.com who originally borrowed it from The Times
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Who owns Carlos Tévez?
West Ham United hold the player’s registration. Kia Joorabchian’s Media Sports Investments firm owns the economic rights to the forward.
Does Tévez’s transfer to Manchester United mirror Javier Mascherano’s move to Liverpool in January?
Yes and no.
How do they differ?
Liverpool signed Mascherano on an 18-month loan – at the end of which they have the option to buy the player permanently – after West Ham ripped up the player’s registration and gave up any rights to him to facilitate the transfer. Joorabchian, who owns the economic rights to Mascherano as well as Tévez, was paid £1.5 million by Liverpool as part of the deal. United have agreed a two-year loan deal for Tévez, with the option to sign the forward permanently at the end of that period, but West Ham cannot simply give up the rights to the player in this case to facilitate the transfer.
Why not?
After the verdict delivered by the independent commission into the transfer on April 27, when West Ham were fined £5.5 million, the club were given three choices. Either they stop playing Tévez, they bring the third-party agreement with Joorabchian into line with FA Premier League rule U18 so Joorabchian could not materially influence the club’s policy, or, finally, terminate its agreement with Joorabchian on the proviso that they would continue to behave in that manner and assert their rights over the player.
So what did they do?
Given that Tévez was central to the club’s hopes of staying in the Premiership, West Ham decided to terminate their agreement with Joorabchian and assert their rights over the player. As part of the agreement, West Ham would effectively have to answer to the Premier League regarding any future dealings with Tévez. Even if they wanted to, they could not simply terminate the player’s contract, but the decision left the club open to a legal action from Joorabchian for breach of contract.
So what has to happen to satisfy the Premier League before Tévez can join Manchester United?
United must strike a deal with West Ham for Tévez. That means that any fee – thought to be £6 million over the two years – would have to be paid to West Ham and not Joorabchian.
But couldn’t West Ham just receive a fee from United and then give it all to Joorabchian as compensation?
No. The Premier League would want to see that a “significant portion” of the transfer fee remained with West Ham and, given that it has power to scrutinise transactions over £25,000, that would be easy. Otherwise, it could be accused of trying to cover up the third-party agreements that caused so much controversy in the first place.
But what about Joorbachian? Won’t he try to sue West Ham if he does not receive some compensation for a player he holds the economic rights for?
He could, but it is likely that, somewhere down the line, West Ham will pay him a compensation fee in an out-of-court settlement, although that will have to be handled carefully |
I honestly don't expect to see Carlos Tevez ever play in a West Ham shirt again, certainly don't want to see him play in a Manchester United one! But wherever he ends up, he goes with my fondest memories of helping us escape relegation.
He now joins the list of Upton Park legends the likes of Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Martin Peters, Julian Dicks, Paolo Di Canio etc etc... |
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SE13
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This saga has more twists and turns than a twisty-turny thing 
There are that many teams expressing an interest in Carlos Tevez that it really would not surprise me to see him leave before the seasons curtain raiser. I guess a lot will depend on the monetry value of the offers. After all, would fifteen million English pounds be ample enough compensation to West Ham United? It would certainly be enough money to open their eyes, and for the bank manager to shout "Ker-ching"
Personally, I would like to see him stay at West Ham United, as he was the difference between the drop last season, and the ultimate survival in The Premiership. He would be a rock in the rebuilding of the team, and almost certainly be a force in pushing West Ham United forward to challenge for silverware this season, or even Europe again, where the best of Carlos Tevez would really shine through.
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Look on the bright side, at least if he does sign for us he probably won't be allowed to play against West Ham for 2 seasons. Well, that's if it is in fact an initial 2 year loan deal.
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| I guess that's a plus point PJ. That is however if you get him on loan. Not sure anyone knows what the deal with him is at the moment. |
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SE13
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Indeed no-one knows who owns him, therefore the potential transfer seems to have new meanings. Now Sir Alex Ferguson is no mug, and will have thoroughly done his homework before entering into any potential deal, so I guess this is on the right tracks to go through. There is absolutely no way he would allow the name of Manchester United to be dragged through the dirt, and most certainly no way that any sort of fine or point deduction would be hanging over the deal.
I suppose it is something for the lawyers to make millions over, while they debate every single granual of sugar in their coffee, before getting down to the matters in hand, and no doubt the cost will be handily passed down to the supporters..... As always!
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First half over.
Man city have looked far the better team. They are all over West Ham in midfield.
I am quite impressed with the goalscorer Bianchi. He looks very sharp, I predict he will get into double figures goal wise this season. Petrov is playing an outstanding game so far as well.
For me Ashton has to come on second half in place of Zamora. But then I cant see Bellamy lasting the full ninety minutes, he hasn't stopped running first half. Lost count the number of times Zamora has been offside!
Just hope Curbs changes it second half. Ashton has to come on now not later.
Well full time and West Ham lost there opening game of the season 2-0 to Manchester City
I think Man City's new signings will prove great buys this season.
West Ham wasn't really outplayed today, could have quite easily have been a draw.
The game was lost (apart from the obvious goals) by Sven getting his tactics spot on and West Ham not being able to respond tactically. Man City started with a 4-3-3 formation and West Ham couldn't cope in midfield. Having bought on two subs at half time then Ashton just after the hour in place of a defender. We just didn't have the right players on the pitch to try and change anything.
I know it too early to worry about relegation, but after last season West Ham really needed to come out of the blocks running today, they didn't!
Due to Liverpools involvement in Europe, West Ham don't have a game Midweek like most of the Premiership. So with that in mind it gives West Ham a chance to get a few key players back from injury and look forward to beating Birmingham next weekend |
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Indeed, not the best of starts to the new season, but as you pointed out, there will be those extra few days to recover, and get things together again. The only minus to that, is that there will still be a further game to cram in at a later time in the season.
I did watch the highlights on Match Of The Day earlier today, and there seems to be very little on a positive note to take from the game, however Alan Curbishley will have taken notes, and be able to put a few ideas to the team on the training ground, and hope that the players can replicate it on the pitch next time around.
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I haven't seen the highlights SE13. But I can imagine it was very one sided and more about Sven and his new signings.
I actually watched the whole game and I do think a draw would have been a fair result. Yes Man City totally outplayed us in midfield and yes we were tactically inept. But we could have scored if it wasn't for Bobby offside Zamora. If Ashton doesn't start in place of Zamora next game, then Curbishley needs his head examined. |
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Still maintaining that Curbs will be gone soon, I've heard he's looking to bring Anelka and Diouf in to the squad.
Seriously, how can he be getting the basic blend of a team so wrong.
He's like a little kid who at Charlton was only given crappy toys to play with and did he best but now has rich parents so is going mad.
Quality players they maybe but I don't think he's the man to make them gel at all and it's quite clear a few are there on a payday.
So many of the quotes are so bland and repetitive about a new opportunity when it's obvious they are there for the £££...
But can you imagine that group of players with Harry Redknapp in charge? Now I'm saying Harry would of bought them - with that money in his hands he'd probably waste it (let's be fair people are blinded to the fact his transfer record was hit and miss)
But that mis-fit collection of bad-boys would be CL challenging with Harry at the helm.
I've never thought Curbs was the man for the job, I still don't and I'm afraid to say the clock is ticking and I think backroom he's already teetering on borrowed time.
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| The Artist Known As GTM wrote: | Still maintaining that Curbs will be gone soon, I've heard he's looking to bring Anelka and Diouf in to the squad.
Seriously, how can he be getting the basic blend of a team so wrong.
He's like a little kid who at Charlton was only given crappy toys to play with and did he best but now has rich parents so is going mad.
Quality players they maybe but I don't think he's the man to make them gel at all and it's quite clear a few are there on a payday.
So many of the quotes are so bland and repetitive about a new opportunity when it's obvious they are there for the £££...
But can you imagine that group of players with Harry Redknapp in charge? Now I'm saying Harry would of bought them - with that money in his hands he'd probably waste it (let's be fair people are blinded to the fact his transfer record was hit and miss)
But that mis-fit collection of bad-boys would be CL challenging with Harry at the helm.
I've never thought Curbs was the man for the job, I still don't and I'm afraid to say the clock is ticking and I think backroom he's already teetering on borrowed time. |
Interesting to read your post above.
My opinion is basically the same as yours. Curbishley hasn't got a clue what to do with money. No disrespect to Charlton, but they are hardly an ambitious club and have never been in a position to get top players to join them. So for the 15 years Curbishley was in charge, he had it easy in that respect.
Now he's been given the green light to basically buy who he thinks will improve the team. Not that he has in my opinion, he's just bought up a Newcastle eleven. We have now got a team that consists of Pardew misfits and Newcastle misfits. If a fight ever kicks off during a match, I fancy West Ham to win with all the troublemakers and thugs we have now.
Bowyer may have eventually scored at the weekend. But I have never liked him as a player. I think it's a disgrace that he wears a West Ham shirt. But I do support my team, while he's part of it then I have to show my support to him, although through gritted teeth. Bellamy is another player that infuriates me. He has the talent, but has never shown it. One good game here and there doesn't make a great player. Without consistency you are nothing. Someone that has played for 7 or so clubs in about as many years can't really be that good!
And if we sign that *insert loads of four letter swear word here* Diouf, you have my word as it is written here, I will not attend another game whilst he is at the club. He is the sickest vilest waste of space known to man. His actions towards West Ham fans when he played for Liverpool showed us the type of lowlife he really is. If you don't know what I am talking about then read this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h.....557843.stm
I don't care what cover up the police and Liverpool put on it. He did spit at West Ham fans and as I was sitting a few rows from where the incident took place, I know it was on purpose and aimed at the West Ham fans. |
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Couldn't agree more, I've never understood players spitting and I think he's vile.
I wouldn't have him in my team based on talent or character. He would come nowhere near it in fact.
It's not the first time he's been caught spitting either, he's done it time and time again. Such an arrogant sod with nothing to brag about!
I think Curbs did well at Charlton but reached the ceiling years ago - West Ham is a bigger club of that I will not argue.
Tactically he is weak and was at Charlton, we encountered the same problems Ashton is having with Scott Parker when we needed him back. He was fit and raring to go and the injury wasn't one where they was an immediate risk of it happening again.
Strikers need games to play, he'll only get confidence and get fitter through playing. 10-15 minutes and he'll get frustrated, try too hard and may risk injuring himself more.
You never know what will happen in 90 minutes of football so you have to risk it sometimes. His knee will only strengthen through playing.
I don't think Curbs will see Christmas but I prepare to be shocked and proved wrong as West Ham have a history of that.
How a manager with only experience of managing Danny Murphy as a big name can handle all those ego's is beyond me!
And he didn't even do it well with Murphy - he couldn't wait to jump ship after a season and blamed Curbs for that...
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On the subject of El Hadji Diouf, I had the misfortune to have that malevolent, selfish, spit crazed ball of egotism at my club for two years,
I can only say that I hope you don't suffer the same misfortune, he is truly a hateful character and despite the odd flash of skill, is in my opinion vastly over-rated. It was a good day when he was sold to Bolton.
However the number of apparently money grabbing players now at West Ham, suggests that he would, sadly, fit into the dressing room.
Curbishley needs to get a grip, and fast. |
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| blightyred wrote: | However the number of apparently money grabbing players now at West Ham, suggests that he would, sadly, fit into the dressing room.
Curbishley needs to get a grip, and fast. |
see that is the thing that is worrying me quite a bit about West Ham at the moment. The first team is fast becoming a squad of players who's talents would be better suited to the WWE. You have Bellamy who likes hitting players with golf clubs. You have Bowyer who likes to hit Asians (alledgelly)
Another thing that worries me a great deal is the amount of players that are always injured.
Upson
Neill
Parker
Ljungberg
All have been or are currently injured since being at West Ham. As was the case before they joined West Ham.
You can't have a great season if a good percent of your best players face lengthy spells out during the season. |
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Without doubt, the West Ham team is full of scumbags. But afterall, isn't that what West Ham's all about? Might as well get players to suit the Green Street thugs
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