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martinz Grandmaster Poster

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: When Did You Last Turn On The Computer? Know The Exact Time |
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Am using Windows XP as the main operating system and I dun really shutdown my computer, I usually put my comp into hibernate mode. Well, the advantage of hibernate mode is that I can get it startup alot faster as compared to a full shutdown.
Over long period of usage, the comp will get slower and slower, and I have no choice but to restart it. So its still necessary to reboot once every 3 - 5 days. Once a while there will be prompts telling me to restart computer due to the automatic updates of patches and what not.
I have heard Linux do not have this problem of decreased performance after long hours of operation without restart. Wonder how true is this ?
| Quote: | Most office employees do not shut down computers at night - they just lock the workstations and switch off the monitor but that doesn’t stop the computers from consuming power.
According to estimates, 30% of all office PCs in the US are left on all night while 18% of office workers in UK admit that they have never switched off computers over night or at weekends.
Related: How to Shut Down Windows Faster ?
So do you remember the exact date or time when you last switched on the computer ? Here’s a simple DOS command to help you out:
systeminfo | find /i “boot time”
This will show the time when you last rebooted the computer.
Subtract that from the current date-time to know for how long you have been running the computer.
Alternative, you could start Windows Task Manager (Alt+Ctrl+Del), switch to the Performance tab and you should see a field that says “Up Time” - that’s even more convenient but some computers have Task managers disabled.
Bonus Tip: Run systeminfo | find /i “install date” to know the date when your installed Windows on the PC. |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: |
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windows its memory management isn't as efficient as that of most operating systems. It leaves a lot of crap behind what eventually forces flat file usage. There are tools that can help you solve this problem. _________________
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<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
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krt ...

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes, non-standardisation in Windows among with other technical limitations means programs never clean up after themselves as well as they should. Not only does this cause problems in the short term with performance degradation from last cold boot, but also over the long term with registry clutter, almost uncontrollable background processes, file system mess and so forth.
For the latter issue, Linux sees little if any performance degradation. Of course, for the former issue of performance until next restart, Linux is not perfect but obviously much better than Windows.
Also, Linux won't force you to restart all the time. The only times you restart is for kernel upgrades and video card driver upgrades. (I figured you are needing some persuasion to give Linux a serious shot ) |
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ClickFanatic Est. 2005

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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The memory management in Linux is generally better than on Windows.
On Windows it's not really a problem for me, though. I never leave the computer on for several days, I always shut it down at the end of the day.
Sometimes I leave it on throughout the day even if I'm not using it, but I mostly shut it down when I am going to do something unrelated. _________________ Captain Jell-O Buster from the Future
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Voldemort Unhandled Exception

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: In a Galaxy far, far away
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: When Did You Last Turn On The Computer? Know The Exact T |
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| martinz wrote: | | Am using Windows XP as the main operating system and I dun really shutdown my computer, I usually put my comp into hibernate mode. Well, the advantage of hibernate mode is that I can get it startup alot faster as compared to a full shutdown. |
I think that when it's on hibernation it doesn't consume any power, since it actually shuts off and the memory contents are stored on the hard drive... Unlike stand-by, when it's still actually running. _________________ It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
Everywhere you go;
Take a look in the five and ten glistening once again
With candy canes and silver lanes aglow..
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| krt wrote: | Also, Linux won't force you to restart all the time. The only times you restart is for kernel upgrades and video card driver upgrades. (I figured you are needing some persuasion to give Linux a serious shot ) |
Actually sometimes you can do it without rebooting. Though you'll always have to restart X at the very least. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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Scar Lifeless Person

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 6111 Location: Chuck Norris's nightmares.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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I can't really compare my windows to linux, since linux doesn't have the programs I use, or any program that i use really, so it's hard to tell.
Vista does a pretty good job with memory managment in my opinion. But I always shut down my pc when im on on it. Why? No point in having it on. My pc (vista ultimate) takes less than 1 minute to even boot up so its not a major issue.
You might try defragging your hard drive once a week at least and you'll notice a big improvement. Also check the programs. People always blame it on windows, but most of the time its certain programs. Such as firefox, that when left open for a long time use up a lot of memory due to their memory leak.
by the way, with linux i had to reboot because windows on the screen kept getting frozen for no real reason and there was no way to close them. So i'd call that a force reboot  _________________ http://www.damnidunno.com | http://www.mjhq.net | http://www.rebx.net |
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ClickFanatic Est. 2005

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Scar wrote: | by the way, with linux i had to reboot because windows on the screen kept getting frozen for no real reason and there was no way to close them. So i'd call that a force reboot  |
Ctrl + Alt + Backspace is your friend in such cases.  _________________ Captain Jell-O Buster from the Future
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Heheh, if something hangs on linux you can just kill X Server and restart it... _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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Scar Lifeless Person

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| SolidRaven wrote: | | Heheh, if something hangs on linux you can just kill X Server and restart it... |
Oh wow, you can do that in windows too, but its "ctrl+alt+delete". or just right click the taskbar and click "task manager". Never have to do that in vista though since its actually stable for me. _________________ http://www.damnidunno.com | http://www.mjhq.net | http://www.rebx.net |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Scar wrote: | | SolidRaven wrote: | | Heheh, if something hangs on linux you can just kill X Server and restart it... |
Oh wow, you can do that in windows too, but its "ctrl+alt+delete". or just right click the taskbar and click "task manager". Never have to do that in vista though since its actually stable for me. |
Ever tried that when a program is using most of the cpu cycles? Windows doesn't seem to be able to detect when it should switch priority to other tasks or services on the right moment. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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Scar Lifeless Person

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| SolidRaven wrote: | | Scar wrote: | | SolidRaven wrote: | | Heheh, if something hangs on linux you can just kill X Server and restart it... |
Oh wow, you can do that in windows too, but its "ctrl+alt+delete". or just right click the taskbar and click "task manager". Never have to do that in vista though since its actually stable for me. |
Ever tried that when a program is using most of the cpu cycles? Windows doesn't seem to be able to detect when it should switch priority to other tasks or services on the right moment. |
Ever tried using a decent program on Linux period?
Have you used Vista yet? On a pc that was built for it? If so you'd know that most of the time it detects a crashed program and gives you usually 4 options:
(could be worded differently)
1) Close program
2) Restart Program
3) find solutions online as into why the program crashed
4) wait for program to respond
Which all work for me, and it usually always pops up on its own and detects the problem. I really do not think that this is an error in windows itself, but rather the programmers that developed the program.
I couldn't test similar situations in Linux though so i can't say much for it. since there are no quality programs that I can actually use in linux. Gimp haha. _________________ http://www.damnidunno.com | http://www.mjhq.net | http://www.rebx.net |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Scar wrote: | | Ever tried using a decent program on Linux period? |
Yes, many in fact. The last one I tried was National Instruments LabView...
| Quote: | | Have you used Vista yet? On a pc that was built for it? |
Pretty much every part in my pc is vista compatible except the sound card. But that shouldn't affect regular performance.
| Quote: | | If so you'd know that most of the time it detects a crashed program and gives you usually 4 options: |
I used vista for about half a day in total, during that time I got a BSOD and several crashes that required a reboot.
| Quote: | (could be worded differently)
1) Close program
2) Restart Program
3) find solutions online as into why the program crashed
4) wait for program to respond
Which all work for me, and it usually always pops up on its own and detects the problem. I really do not think that this is an error in windows itself, but rather the programmers that developed the program. |
An operating system needs to be capable of managing CPU usage correctly and always respond to certain commands. Windows fails terribly on that point.
| Quote: | | I couldn't test similar situations in Linux though so i can't say much for it. since there are no quality programs that I can actually use in linux. Gimp haha. |
You really think no professional software exists for linux? You'd be amazed how much software actually works on linux. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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krt ...

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Scar wrote: | | I couldn't test similar situations in Linux though so i can't say much for it. since there are no quality programs that I can actually use in linux. Gimp haha. |
Don't single out GIMP. We have had the Photoshop/GIMP discussion on these forums and yes, GIMP doesn't compare. Photoshop Elements runs almost flawlessly on Linux through WINE so it's not that big an issue.
| Scar wrote: | | Oh wow, you can do that in windows too, but its "ctrl+alt+delete". or just right click the taskbar and click "task manager". Never have to do that in vista though since its actually stable for me. |
Stable for you maybe. And how long have you had it for? Most problems with Windows arise after extended usage. Also, Ctrl+Alt+Delete is limited. Linux allows you to restart X (the GUI basically), open up a text console to kill processes, force safe(r) reboot (Alt-PrntScrn-S,U,B) and so forth. Funny thing is you hardly ever need to resort to that. I've only needed to use the force reboot once and that was when I incorrectly set up X (the new version of Ubuntu sets it up correctly automatically thankfully).
| SolidRaven wrote: | | I used vista for about half a day in total, during that time I got a BSOD and several crashes that required a reboot. |
I always love those mini-stories of yours.
| Scar wrote: | | Which all work for me, and it usually always pops up on its own and detects the problem. I really do not think that this is an error in windows itself, but rather the programmers that developed the program. |
The point is it happens and it happens mostly on Windows. Another benefit of open source is everything becomes more standardised and developers can find out exactly how to interact correctly with the environment.
| Scar wrote: | | I can't really compare my windows to linux, since linux doesn't have the programs I use, or any program that i use really, so it's hard to tell. |
What are these programs and/or what do they do? And don't single out Photoshop (which actually works fine on Linux/WINE)
| Quote: | | Vista does a pretty good job with memory managment in my opinion. But I always shut down my pc when im on on it. Why? No point in having it on. My pc (vista ultimate) takes less than 1 minute to even boot up so its not a major issue. |
Hibernate saves RAM to hard disk and then turns the power off like a shut down would. And the reason is not to shave some seconds off boot time, it is more to keep the system state.
| Scar wrote: | | You might try defragging your hard drive once a week at least and you'll notice a big improvement. Also check the programs. People always blame it on windows, but most of the time its certain programs. Such as firefox, that when left open for a long time use up a lot of memory due to their memory leak. |
Firefox's memory problems have been fixed long ago. Or they are isolated to Windows, or I am somehow otherwise not affected. And that is only for the short term issues. What about the inevitable need for reformatting after extended usage. Sure Vista probably prolongs this but still... And if I want to use Windows, it is for a painless just "give me something that works" experience, if I go to the effort of scheduling defrags, putting up with the performance drop while it runs, cleaning out services, choosing suitable programs etc, why not use Linux. |
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Scar Lifeless Person

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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i've been using vista for over 6 months now without a problem. No crashes, no bugs, No fake driver not working stories (hardware designed for vista maybe?). No lag, no problem with the system running slow. No nothing that you read on the net. Vista is a really good OS, and honestly there has been no major problems.
if people experience any of the crashes and what not that they claim on the internet then its because their system sucks and wasnt designed for newer technology such as Vista. it's as simple as that. Try getting a system designed for windows 3.1 or 95 to run Xp without a problem.
using a program to run a windows program in linux isnt exactly running a good linux program.
It's funny that firefox doesn't have a memory problem, because it sure does use alot of my systems ram. oh yeah but thats windows just sucking? ha. okay.
linux just doesn't work. If it did i wouldn't have to spend a week learning text commands and finding a way to get my network adapter to work.
If you want something that just works, use a Mac.
if you want a system that you can expand and do more on. use windows.
If you want to feel smart use Linux and do less. _________________ http://www.damnidunno.com | http://www.mjhq.net | http://www.rebx.net |
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