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| Scar wrote: | | It's funny that firefox doesn't have a memory problem, because it sure does use alot of my systems ram. oh yeah but thats windows just sucking? ha. okay. |
Friendly discussion okay. Maybe it's to the with the ability to interact with the OS, something much easier done on an open source OS.
| Quote: | | linux just doesn't work. If it did i wouldn't have to spend a week learning text commands and finding a way to get my network adapter to work. |
I would have said the same thing - 2 years ago. One of the beauties of Linux is the rapid rate of improvement which is continuing whereas Windows users waited 5 years for Vista, a relatively minor upgrade. Text commands are only a shortcut for what can be done through the GUI and are usually optional. Your network is wireless right? The kernel now includes most wireless drivers (as of version 2.6.24-something). For me, Linux just works better than Windows. Case in point for my scanner, printer, bluetooth, dual core processor, WPA2 wireless, webcam, external monitor modes, theming and I've probably forgotten many others.
| Scar wrote: | i've been using vista for over 6 months now without a problem.
if people experience any of the crashes and what not that they clam on the internet then its because their system sucks and wasnt designed for newer technology such as Vista. it's as simple as that. Try getting a system designed for windows 3.1 or 95 to run Xp without a problem. |
That's another problem, Windows needs too much resources for less functionality. And, if someone's Windows doesn't crash, it means they are using it very lightly or are doing maintenance work, time and effort which could be better used extending Linux.
| Scar wrote: | If you want something that just works, use a Mac.
if you want a system that you can expand and do more on. use windows.
If you want to feel smart use Linux and do less. |
Somewhat accurate. Most people have your opinion because of the learning curve and a change in environment that Linux presents.
I look at it like this:
[IMG]http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6710/windowsvslinuxvsmaczt5.th.png[/IMG]
By time, I meant "time or effort needed". Whatever the case, it is not to "feel smart" or do it to belong in a minority or something.
| Quote: | | using a program to run a windows program in linux isnt exactly running a good linux program. |
Agreed. But for me, it is only for games and Photoshop Elements. Everything else has great "alternatives" and I am finding that there is lots of software that I never found on Windows. Simple SVN client, free easy to use PDF editor, Amarok music player equivalent, an as easy to use bluetooth tool, etc.
:lol :just noticed the thread title, this topic got derailed fast! |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I really did want to give linux a try. The new releases of DreamLinux are beautiful, but i couldn't stay with it long enough because it took me the week or so to get it to work with my network adapter and then when I finally got that working the internet was way too slow. So rather than spend another week on that i just went back to my windows which i never have any problems on at all.
I really would like there to be another alternative to windows. Mac isn't it in my opinion. Linux is close, but isnt exactly there yet. I hope in a year or so it will be though.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I really would like there to be another alternative to windows. Mac isn't it in my opinion. Linux is close, but isnt exactly there yet. I hope in a year or so it will be though. |
Yes, in fact, that crude graph I drew also applies to the rate of improvement where we are currently at the point a little before the middle where the lines meet.
So what was wrong with the network? It was wireless right? If so, the newer kernel versions fix that. With older versions, you may have to do what I done (manually configuring /etc/network/interfaces), but even then, it was a quick search of the ubuntu forums and I got my answer in minutes and got the network setup in about half an hour overall.
And what were these programs or functions of those programs that are not sufficient or not available in Linux? |
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| krt wrote: | | Quote: | | I really would like there to be another alternative to windows. Mac isn't it in my opinion. Linux is close, but isnt exactly there yet. I hope in a year or so it will be though. |
Yes, in fact, that crude graph I drew also applies to the rate of improvement where we are currently at the point a little before the middle where the lines meet.
So what was wrong with the network? It was wireless right? If so, the newer kernel versions fix that. With older versions, you may have to do what I done (manually configuring /etc/network/interfaces), but even then, it was a quick search of the ubuntu forums and I got my answer in minutes and got the network setup in about half an hour overall.
And what were these programs or functions of those programs that are not sufficient or not available in Linux? |
no. my network isn't writeless. I have an intel network adapter and a linksys router. Works perfect under windows, so it's weird that it'd be slow on linux.
Photoshop is one example of a program that i use alot. Microsoft office also. i don't like open office as much.
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| Scar wrote: | | i've been using vista for over 6 months now without a problem. |
If you start up your computer, surf the web a bit and that's all you ever do with it. Then it will work fine for sure. If you start doing more intensive things with it, vista is pure crap.
| Quote: | | No crashes, no bugs, No fake driver not working stories (hardware designed for vista maybe?). |
No crashes, don't believe it...
No bugs, certainly false; if that were the case they wouldn't release a service pack...
And you call the no driver stories fake. Well, go and plug in an old PCI graphics card for tv output on vista and you'll see what happens. You can be happy if it recognizes it...
| Quote: | | No lag, no problem with the system running slow. No nothing that you read on the net. Vista is a really good OS, and honestly there has been no major problems. |
Have you read too much of microsoft's "facts" campaign or what? Once you start with intensive things like software development vista is pure crap.
| Quote: | | if people experience any of the crashes and what not that they claim on the internet then its because their system sucks and wasnt designed for newer technology such as Vista. it's as simple as that. |
Vista isn't new technology, it's windows xp with a new skin and a few extra tools and super prefetch turned on. "OMG SUCH A GREAT IMPROVEMENT". In certain parts you can really see it's basically windows xp...
| Quote: | | Try getting a system designed for windows 3.1 or 95 to run Xp without a problem. |
Actually I got an old windows 95 computer to run xp. Just had to plug in some extra ram. Boot times were terrible but it worked. That was if you were smart enough to use a lite version...
| Quote: | | using a program to run a windows program in linux isnt exactly running a good linux program. |
Oh good for you, I only use wine to run games sometimes. Keep in mind they often work faster in wine than on windows (the irony). Software like LabView is also native on linux. But forget about running an older version on vista. Cause the drivers it needs to connect with hardware won't work.
| Quote: | | It's funny that firefox doesn't have a memory problem, because it sure does use alot of my systems ram. oh yeah but thats windows just sucking? ha. okay. |
What exactly does this have to do with this discussion. And for the record, the memory issues were a lot smaller on linux than on windows in fact.
| Quote: | | linux just doesn't work. |
What is your base for this statement?
| Quote: | | If it did i wouldn't have to spend a week learning text commands and finding a way to get my network adapter to work. |
That is so not true. You have no clue what you're talking about clearly.
| Quote: | | If you want something that just works, use a Mac. |
Macs are terribly expensive for what you get...
| Quote: | | if you want a system that you can expand and do more on. use windows. |
Correct version: if you want a system that limits you in every way and hides several useful configuration panels. use windows.
| Quote: | | If you want to feel smart use Linux and do less. |
Lets take it to the test, I can do a lot more in a short timespan on linux than on windows. While you're stuck with your wizards (and there is often no way around them). I can manually configure everything by the time you're half way through your wizard.
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Man you said you probably used Vista for half a day at most on a system that wasn't designed for it and kept crashing. How can you even tell me how vista works and what it does? You haven't even used it. You seem to just be giving me the generic answers all the linux fan boys say even though they have no clue.
Vista is much better, works perfect for me. I actually use it and love it. I use alot of resource intensive programs, and the system runs really smooth still.
i can talk about linux because i've actually used it for more than half a day. Crap it took me like a week just to get it to detect my network card.
There is no point in continuing in with this conversation with you because all you're going to do is pretend you're smarter than me and try to avoid anything i say and counter it with some generic message you found on the web.
enjoy your linux, and i'll enjoy my windows and be very productive.
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System Boot Time: 3/27/08 9:04:54
Two days up for me. I guess that is kind of bad... if you are environmentally friendly. I usually restart when my system freezes on me... happens once every couple days. Vista's way of telling me to restart 
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Rashy, to end a flame war, you may want to stay clear of mentioning frequent freezes that happen in Vista. Besides, I'm having fun, continue the flame war at this new thread:
http://lifelesspeople.com/foru.....hp?t=47685 |
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I use vista. I enjoy vista. Don't take sides unless you use vista on a machine with balls. Else, keep it to yourself. I've used Linux. I've ran it for months. It's not fun. When I can't play Diablo II without lagging, then by golly, I'm stumped.
Vista runs great with my 4gb of ram, my vid card setup to 756mb, and my 2.3 ghz dual core processor. I can play Diablo II without Wine, without lagging, I can listen to music at the same time, while running macros on firefox, and using programs that do auto-attacking on certain web-based games, plus, I can also have photoshop open while I open up 10 or so 5megapixel images for editing. Also, I can click an .exe to install ****, and just open up the Windows Updater to make sure I'm up to date. Oh, and if I want some fancy **** GUI, I can figure out some way to get it, but I never need my Vista to look like vista, it already does, and oh, by God, I can play games on it at the same time too! It's not just a faux look!
Honestly, Vista isn't for the faint of heart. Run it good if you run it at all. It also has it's downfalls. Games do run slower, the os does run "hotter" but you know what, to be up to date and not have to deal with stupid bull Linux nerd-bitch ****, Vista is GG. Also, I don't care if I make you mad, but when you get Linux to actually run correctly out of the box, if it ever uses one, while having to not do some sudo apt-get, and other such nerd ****, then maybe I'll jump on board. But for now, I'm fine with my resource hogging OS, and if I want to game faster, I'll just dual-boot my XP and call it a day.
P.S. "Your system has been running for 30 hours and 3 minutes."
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It's funny, actually, that simply sharing the useful shortcut for restarting the X server on Linux derails the entire thread into yet another OS flamewar.
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| M0ose wrote: | Vista runs great with my 4gb of ram, my vid card setup to 756mb, and my 2.3 ghz dual core processor. I can play Diablo II without Wine, without lagging, I can listen to music at the same time, while running macros on firefox, and using programs that do auto-attacking on certain web-based games, plus, I can also have photoshop open while I open up 10 or so 5megapixel images for editing. Also, I can click an .exe to install ****, and just open up the Windows Updater to make sure I'm up to date. Oh, and if I want some fancy **** GUI, I can figure out some way to get it, but I never need my Vista to look like vista, it already does, and oh, by God, I can play games on it at the same time too! It's not just a faux look!
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I think you should try something hard because I remember playing diablo ii on a 450mhz p3 with 128 mb of ram and the on board graphics card on win98 with no lag while playing music and having a bunch of other tasks running. Showing that the system can do something that could be done 10 years ago doesn't prove a point |
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| mcwkm wrote: | | M0ose wrote: | Vista runs great with my 4gb of ram, my vid card setup to 756mb, and my 2.3 ghz dual core processor. I can play Diablo II without Wine, without lagging, I can listen to music at the same time, while running macros on firefox, and using programs that do auto-attacking on certain web-based games, plus, I can also have photoshop open while I open up 10 or so 5megapixel images for editing. Also, I can click an .exe to install ****, and just open up the Windows Updater to make sure I'm up to date. Oh, and if I want some fancy **** GUI, I can figure out some way to get it, but I never need my Vista to look like vista, it already does, and oh, by God, I can play games on it at the same time too! It's not just a faux look!
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I think you should try something hard because I remember playing diablo ii on a 450mhz p3 with 128 mb of ram and the on board graphics card on win98 with no lag while playing music and having a bunch of other tasks running. Showing that the system can do something that could be done 10 years ago doesn't prove a point |
You missed the point. That fact is, on Ubuntu, I couldn't Run Diablo II and play it without my character running around like lightning. The game would run super fast, then slow down and lag, then super fast, then lag. And by super fast, I don't mean that in a good way. It would go so fast my character would sometimes even disappear from my own screen. then, if I tried to play on B.net, I would connect, join a game but, the instant someone else tried to join, I'd generally disconnect.
That was the point I was trying to make. Not that my computer is amazingly awesome now, with Diablo II, but the fact that with Linux, I couldn't even pull off playing a game that was made six or seven years before hand.
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| M0ose wrote: | | You missed the point. That fact is, on Ubuntu, I couldn't Run Diablo II and play it without my character running around like lightning. The game would run super fast, then slow down and lag, then super fast, then lag. And by super fast, I don't mean that in a good way. It would go so fast my character would sometimes even disappear from my own screen. then, if I tried to play on B.net, I would connect, join a game but, the instant someone else tried to join, I'd generally disconnect. |
Guess what, that's cause the company didn't bother to port the game. Be happy such a thing as wine actually exists. What they are doing is extremely hard in fact.
| Quote: | | That was the point I was trying to make. Not that my computer is amazingly awesome now, with Diablo II, but the fact that with Linux, I couldn't even pull off playing a game that was made six or seven years before hand. |
Funny how games like UT3 are being ported to linux (and those are new).
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| Diablo was not made for linux and wine is not going to focus on supporting game that has a decreasing number of players and there is not much of demand for. Does wine support world of warcraft because that is where alot of the diablo players went too |
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