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I made this topic originally, becase I rarely see people talk about games for Nintendo consoles or any E rated games much on this forum. It leads me to believe people here are either against Nintendo and/or against E rated games in general.
In my view, the board is PC gamers and PS3 the most... with a small number of Xbox 360, Wii and handheld gamers out there. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it looks this way to me.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | I made this topic originally, becase I rarely see people talk about games for Nintendo consoles or any E rated games much on this forum. It leads me to believe people here are either against Nintendo and/or against E rated games in general. |
I'm not against Nintendo or E rated games but personally, I never hear about the games for the Wii, I never see commercials or see any articles, they just don't advertise them much. I don't know of any huge game franchises for the Wii like the other 2 consoles where you are always hearing about games like Metal Gear Solid, Halo, Gears of War, Final Fantasy etc.
Also, even though they sell a lot, I don't know anyone who owns a Wii so I have never tried any games on it.
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| Quote: | | I'm not against Nintendo or E rated games but personally, I never hear about the games for the Wii, I never see commercials or see any articles, they just don't advertise them much. |
There is plenty of information on Wii games on video game sites. Advertising isn't bad either. Metroid Prime Corruption, MySims, Mario Strikers Charged and so on, all have had TV advertisements. Perhaps you just don't watch much television to notice the commercials?
I know some game sites are baist and don't do equal coverage for all systems: but they indeed do articles on Wii games. If you do a search, I'm sure you will come up with many things.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm not against Nintendo or E rated games but personally, I never hear about the games for the Wii, I never see commercials or see any articles, they just don't advertise them much. |
There is plenty of information on Wii games on video game sites. Advertising isn't bad either. Metroid Prime Corruption, MySims, Mario Strikers Charged and so on, all have had TV advertisements. Perhaps you just don't watch much television to notice the commercials?
I know some game sites are baist and don't do equal coverage for all systems: but they indeed do articles on Wii games. If you do a search, I'm sure you will come up with many things. |
No no. See the thing is with Xbox 360 and PS3 there is something to advertise. Amazing visuals and more, that next-gen experience. With Wii all you have to advertise are motion controls. Games like Metroid Prime are just the same but with a new control scheme.
On the other consoles you have amazing visual and audio quality in addition to more power, more potential. Metal Gear Solid features many ways to play including an FPS mode for the FPS fans who are a bit wary of MGS's play mode. Metroid Prime for the Wii features motion controls. Halo 3 has a Theater where you can replay any of your games played and watch the carnage happen from any player's perspective, or even fly out in a free camera mode and see every little detail happen. Metroid Prime for the Wii features motion controls... and you can roll into a ball, but that's been done before.
The GameCube, even with the amazing innovations of titles like Resident Evil 4 really failed to do much for the console and the game ended up being ported over to PS2.
Online console play is basically a next-gen feature that Wii does incorporate but limits it extremely to the point where you may as well be playing against computer controlled opponents.
Xbox Live allows you to jump into games, play, talk, chat, make new friends, play more, and have a good time while still providing parental controls to limit connectivity and games for their children.
PSN is coming along slowly but should spark to life when XMB 2.0 and PlayStation Home are released.
Wii is the casual gamer's console.
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| Quote: | The GameCube, even with the amazing innovations of titles like Resident Evil 4 really failed to do much for the console and the game ended up being ported over to PS2.
Online console play is basically a next-gen feature that Wii does incorporate but limits it extremely to the point where you may as well be playing against computer controlled opponents.
Xbox Live allows you to jump into games, play, talk, chat, make new friends, play more, and have a good time while still providing parental controls to limit connectivity and games for their children.
PSN is coming along slowly but should spark to life when XMB 2.0 and PlayStation Home are released.
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Resident Evil 4 was made by Capcom, not Nintendo. Capcom promised Nintendo exclusive games: but then went against their word, and many of them were ported. The Gamecube had plenty of hits and was indeed successful, and still would've been if RE 4 wasn't released for it.
The Wii is far from casual. Nintendo has been popular for many years and it's not going away. As for online gaming: it's overrated and not that important when it comes to consoles. They jam it into many games, but overall: it's only successful for a few big name titles. Why should Nintendo put online play in all their games, when the online community wont be playing the game in a few months? Many PlayStation 2 games and Xbox games had online features: and only a select few had lasting power. I think that's more than enough proof, online gaming isn't the wave of the future just yet.
| Quote: | | No no. See the thing is with Xbox 360 and PS3 there is something to advertise. Amazing visuals and more, that next-gen experience. With Wii all you have to advertise are motion controls. Games like Metroid Prime are just the same but with a new control scheme. |
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is a sequel for a successful series. Halo 3 = just like the previous Halo games. Same goes for Grand Theft Auto, Metal Gear Solid and so on. It's not just Nintendo that rehashes a game with many sequels, because they know people will buy it. The same applies to movies. When one does well, a sequel is likely. The sequel does well, another one will come.
Plenty of Wii games have decent graphics. There is more to gaming than graphics though. If a game has a bad plot, controls and is just stupid in general, the graphics can't save it.
Instead of being picky, you should be open minded to games. It shouldn't have to have "next-gen graphics" or online play to be something you buy. In my view, one aspect of a casual gamer is someone who is too picky.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | The Wii is far from casual. Nintendo has been popular for many years and it's not going away. As for online gaming: it's overrated and not that important when it comes to consoles. They jam it into many games, but overall: it's only successful for a few big name titles. Why should Nintendo put online play in all their games, when the online community wont be playing the game in a few months? Many PlayStation 2 games and Xbox games had online features: and only a select few had lasting power. I think that's more than enough proof, online gaming isn't the wave of the future just yet. |
How is online gaming for console overrated? They definatley don't just "jam" it into games, playing games online is basically the reason why I choose to buy games. I don't see how games without online can be much fun... You are just playing the same campaign over and over against the same AI. For example BioShock, amazing game but it had no online. It was really fun the first time I played it and beat it, then I played it again on the hardest difficulty and beat it, then traded it in. What use is a game that you have already beat and you don't have anyone to try playing against online?
As for the Xbox/PS2's online capabilities, I was under the impression we are talking about the "current-gen" with the Xboix 360 and PS3, not the Xbox and PS2.
Also, as for the Wii being a casual gamer console, I think that is very true. It is popular but that hardly has anything to do with it being casual or not. If it was more for hardcore/competitive gamers it would have better online. For example I did a quick look on gamebattles and the Wii only has one game which it supports for an online ladder. You can't really be a competitive gamer and not have decent online, I mean what are you gonna do, see who can beat the campaign the fastest?
And for my original comment about not seeing too many ads, I'm sure there is lots of stuff on the games but I don't go looking for info like that. What I am talking about is seeing trailers on news sites I read such as Digg, I rarely see a trailer for a Wii game on there, which I guess is probably because a trailer usually showcases beautiful graphics.
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| Quote: | | If it was more for hardcore/competitive gamers it would have better online. For example I did a quick look on gamebattles and the Wii only has one game which it supports for an online ladder. You can't really be a competitive gamer and not have decent online, I mean what are you gonna do, see who can beat the campaign the fastest? |
| Quote: | | I don't see how games without online can be much fun... You are just playing the same campaign over and over against the same AI. For example BioShock, amazing game but it had no online. It was really fun the first time I played it and beat it, then I played it again on the hardest difficulty and beat it, then traded it in. What use is a game that you have already beat and you don't have anyone to try playing against online? |
The computer AI in all games doesn't act the exact same way. Playing a game over again (after you've beat it), is called fun. If the game was fun the first time, you will want to play it again. Many games have extras for the second playthrough and so on. Do you just watch every movie once, and never buy any? The same thing applies: if you enjoyed it enough, you will want to see it again.
Look at gaming before online existed: the games were fun and certainly not something considered "casual" at all. Just because online is big now for popular games, doesn't make a system with little online "casual". Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, the original Mario games, Tetris and so on: all great examples of one player games.
Online gaming isn't that important You are playing against numerous real people (instead of a computer), but you can do that same thing with multiple controllers for the system. Online leader boards are a joke, as it's the people that just sit and play games as the ones that are the top players usually. Get off your butts and get a job. Being competitive is one thing, but being obsessed is stupid. Multiplayer offline is plenty of fun and competitive, it doesn't need leaderboards to show that some people are supposedly "better" at games. Having more free time will obviously make you a better gamer.
Go play your repetitive multiplayer games, and ignore the great single player games. In my view, that's narrow minded. The same goes for judging on a game on graphics (which I talked about earlier). How many of these great graphic games are currently sitting on a shelf somewhere just collecting dust?
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| Quote: | | Do you just watch every movie once, and never buy any? |
Yes, why would I buy a movie when I already have seen it? I would buy a movie I haven't seen.
| Quote: | | Online gaming isn't that important You are playing against numerous real people (instead of a computer), but you can do that same thing with multiple controllers for the system. |
Yeah, you can do the same thing on the same console but with online, you have the full screen (depending on the game) and playing online is more available since people won't always be over to play with you on your own console. Not to mention you play new people online.
| Quote: | | Online leader boards are a joke, as it's the people that just sit and play games as the ones that are the top players usually. Get off your butts and get a job. Being competitive is one thing, but being obsessed is stupid. |
Hardly anyone cares about leaderboards because its just cheaters/obsessed kids. People play online to enjoy it, not so they can see their name on a leaderboard.
| Quote: | | Go play your repetitive multiplayer games |
....as opposed to the campaign which is something new every time? Campaign is way more repetitive than online.
| Quote: | | How many of these great graphic games are currently sitting on a shelf somewhere just collecting dust? |
I'm not sure what you are getting at.... you saying there are a lot of unsold copies of games with great graphics?
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| Quote: | | Yes, why would I buy a movie when I already have seen it? I would buy a movie I haven't seen. |
You are in the minority there. Most people buy movies to watch over and over. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
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Games come with ratings? Mario games were excellent, lots of fun to play, that's for sure. I haven't played many games that would require a rating, though. Well, Leisure Suit Larry, maybe.
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I don't think anyone is against any type of rating in games. I never look at them but i think alot of games are rated E. Dunno, i never look.
But i dont think its a huge problem or anything.
That entire "game rating" was made by them lame self importuning people.
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| Scott wrote: | | I haven't seen a case of anyone against E rated games, because nobody cares about the ratings. |
Hold on, quick question..If nobody cares about the ratings..Why put the ratings there. Some people may not care about the ratings, but I recall a big deal on grand theft auto. Anyway, I personally know a lot of parents who will not allow their children to play some games, including a few E rated ones. I used to babysit 2 kids who weren't even allowed to watch Spongebob, I didn't bother to ask why, I just didn't let them. It may not be a big deal to teens, or people without kids, or just normal people, but there are some parents who care about what their children learn from games. I agree that rating the games is stupid, but then again it's just like rating a movie, is it not?
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Hold on, quick question..If nobody cares about the ratings..Why put the ratings there. |
Its a legal thing. In Australia at least, games are reviewed and given a classification. Games that are refused a classification are effectively illegal and prohibited from sale...[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....Australia)] |
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| exsanguination wrote: | | DeadlyXScreams wrote: |
Hold on, quick question..If nobody cares about the ratings..Why put the ratings there. |
Its a legal thing. In Australia at least, games are reviewed and given a classification. Games that are refused a classification are effectively illegal and prohibited from sale...[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....Australia)] |
He was questioning Scott's logic in a somewhat sarcastic way, i.e. it wasn't a serious question. Of course, the laws are in place because there are people who care. |
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