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[Rob1981]

It's the return of a discussion for pro wrestling. I know there is some fans here, so let's chat about wrestling here.


On November 13, a true great passed away in his hotel room: Eddie Guerrero. He put on many great matches over his career. He wrestled in ECW, WCW, WWF/E, and other places as well. His DVD called "Cheating Death, Stealing Life-The Eddie Guerrero story" is worth a purchase. The DVD is a few years old I believe, but still has plenty of great things on it. Any Eddie fan will enjoy it.


Anyway, onto other matters. Kurt Angle will be facing Shelton Benjamin tonight on Raw. Survivor Series is coming up, so more matches for that will be announced probably.

Here is a Survivor Series preview:

Team Raw (Shawn Michaels, Big Show, Kane, Carlito+one other) vs Team Smackdown (JBL, Rey Mysterio, Bobby Lashley+2 others)

WWE world champ John Cena vs Kurt Angle

Last Man Standing: I.C champ Ric Flair vs Triple H

Battle of the General Managers: Eric Bischoff vs Teddy Long


More matches to be announced later.


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Smackdown vs Raw 2006 for Playstation 2 is out now. It looks pretty good. A general manager mode seems like the biggest and best new thing the series has to offer in the newest WWE game.


Onto TNA news, Christian Cage (formerly known as Christian in WWE) is now with them, in case you didn't know. In my opinion this is great for TNA. Christian is great on the mic, and is a very good wrestler in the ring as well.
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[Rob1981]

Chris Masters is the last man?! That is pretty dumb in my opinion. I would've thought they would just leave it a mystery or have someone much better as the spot.


Orton+Hardy do seem like good choices for the last 2 Smackdown spots.


I somehow think that most of the remaining Survivor Series matches will be title matches. Booker T vs Chris Benoit is very likely to be one of the matches.
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[Rob1981]

A few new things for Survivor Series were announced last night on Raw.


Women's champ Trish Stratus against Melina for the title. I wonder if the Women's title will become a title for both brands? That would make more sense, since the women matches on Raw are almost always the same.

Daivari has been announced as the guest referee for the John Cena/Kurt Angle, WWE world title match.


I certainly hope Kurt wins. Cena is basically a new version of The Rock. Full of catchphrases, but boring in the ring with only a few moves. Kurt is great on the mic, and one of the best wrestlers in WWE today.
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[Rush]

Well, The Rock was way better in the ring than Cena. He was not amongst the best wrestlers, but he had a few nice moves, he was selling well and (what's also important) he had a better shape than Cena. Bigger, more muscles, he looked more the man out there. I'm sure Cena will lose it this time, Daivari is the biggest hint at it. They will make him interfere and therefore Cena's loss won't be seen as bad, because he simply got cheated.

On Eddie Guerrero - it's really sad because he was a great wrestler, a great entertainer and a great person. He was able to get clean after taking drugs for years, he won the title although he wasn't the big bad boy or the stereotypical babyface - certainly it shouldn't have ended like that, so early, so quick.
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[Rob1981]

The Rock wasn't really that better than Cena in the ring. Both men have very VERY limited move sets. Each have a few moves, plus their signature moves and taunts.


Friday Smackdown tomorrow is the last WWE TV show before Survivor Series this Sunday. I'm hoping they announce a cruiserweight title match or at least a few more matches for Survivor Series to make the card look a bit better.
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[nepsydaz]

I opened the sports stadium hoping that the news of the death of eddie guerrero would be there. If not then I would have posted. Anyway I am very sad as eddie guerrero who is one of my favourite wwe superstar is now dead. I will not be able to forget him and his lie and cheat policy.

I found about this news at the alexa search site. Eddie guerrero was one of the most used search terms there and I also made a search on eddie guerrero and got this sad news.

The matches you say are temptinf for me to watch but in my country we are shown a one month old wwe. I think I will get to watch the matches that you say after about 2 and a half weeks from now.
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[Carl Unger]

I'm really liking Kane & The Big Show (mostly caus I'm a Kane fan) but I somehow feel that Kane and Show will be eliminated by Lashley to make him look good and to get revenge for Batista.

I think the last 2 superstars left on the RAW team would be Shawn Michaels and Chris Masters whilst I think Randy Orton and Rey Mysterio would be the last 2 on team Smackdown.

The Survivor Series card overall looks a little weak, but I guess if Eddie Guerrero was still alive then Randy Orton wouldn't have been added to Team Smackdown! and it would've been Randy Orton vs. Undertaker in a Buried Alive Match.

[Rob1981]

Survivor Series looks to be final now, I don't think anymore matches will be added. Announced last night on Smackdown for SS: Undertaker's return, Booker T vs Chris Benoit (match 1 in the best of 7 series for the U.S title).


I hope Undertaker joins the Raw vs Smackdown match, as Batista's replacement. Batista is injured in real life, they can't keep making him an unstoppable guy that gets injured every week with no recovery time.


Most of the SS card doesn't look that exciting to me. I would prefer them to bring back all elimination matches for the event, I loved those Survivor Series better than most of the ones with very few elimination matches.


Onto other WWE points of interest.

This Tuesday a Smackdown special will air on UPN. Big Show against Rey Mysterio is the only announced match for it, so far. I believe it's only an hour special.

WWE needs to do something with the Boogeyman, or just not have him on anymore. People just finding him in random spots, and him being weird just doesn't cut it.

If I recall correctly, WWE didn't even mention why Orlando Jordan is back. Remember a while ago, when he lost to Benoit? He promised he would quit WWE, if he lost to him again (and he did lose to Benoit). Orlando was gone only a little bit, then back on again. These no explanation returns make WWE writers look a little bad.
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[Carl Unger]

[Rob1981]

My predictions:

Melina pinning Trish (with help from MNM possibly)

Chris Benoit will defeat Booker T

Kurt Angle beats John Cena (This MUST happen, Cena doesn't deserve that belt anymore. A decent wrestler belongs with gold)

Teddy Long beats Eric Bischoff

Triple H wins his match against Ric Flair

Raw will win the elimination match, with either 1 or 2 wrestlers left on their side. I think Batista will either lose quick in the match, or Undertaker will take his spot. Undertaker will cost Orton to lose obviously, which continues their feud. Maybe at Royal Rumble or something, the planned buried alive match will happen. It was set for Survivor Series, but Orton needed to take Eddie's spot. I would've preferred Benoit in Eddie's spot, so the buried alive could've happened like planned.


6 matches for Survivor Series doesn't seem like much though. I suppose it will work though, since Flair/Triple H should go long, as will Cena/Angle and the main event.
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[Carl Unger]

wow, we only have 1 similar pick and that is the HHH/Flair match.

[Rob1981]

Tonight's Survivor Series is the 19th annual in WWF/E history. It started all the way back in 1987 (it was only the 2nd yearly PPV by WWF at the time).

Here is some fun facts on Survivor Series:


1-At the first 2 Survivor Series matches there was tag elimination matches that involved 20 people, 10 on each side.

2-Survivor Series was all elimination matches from 1987-1990. At 1991, the first singles match took place: Undertaker beat World champ Hulk Hogan to win the title.

3-Undertaker made his debut at Survivor Series 1990. He was Ted Dibiase's mystery partner, and was managed by Brother Love at that time.

4-The WWF world title changed hands at 6 straight Survivor Series events: 1994-1999

5-The first non-WWF title change happened at the 1993 Survivor Series: Heavenly Bodies beat SMW tag champs Rock "N" Roll Express to win the titles.

6-The first I.C title change didn't happen until Survivor Series 1997: Steve Austin defeated Owen Hart

7- 1998 was the first Survivor Series event to have no elimination matches. 1998 was also the 2nd time in WWF pay per view history to have a WWF world title tournament. (the first time was at Wrestlemania 4 in 1988).

8- First time a battle royal took place at Survivor Series: 2001.

9- The Rock made his WWF debut at Survivor Series 1996, he was known as "Rocky Maivia" back then. He was the sole survivor in his elimination match, he pinned Crush and then Goldust to win the match.

10- The only Survivor Series elimination match to have no winner took place in 1996. Yokozuna, Savio Vega, Jimmy Snuka+Flash Funk went to a double DQ with Vader, Faarooq, Diesel #2+Razor Ramon #2.


There is plenty of more facts, those are just some of them.
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[Carl Unger]

grrrrr.....
Smackdown! won

but on the bright side, I tipped 5/6

[Rush]

Wow, Survivor Series was bad. No, not bad, it was horrible.

The opener was kind of ok, but it was nothing special. Both wrestlers are able to show way more than they did. The winner doesn't really matter, there are four more matches and the series is definitely going until the fifth match, so the start doesn't matter. I can smell Booker going up 2-0 though, losing it in five afterwards. At least that's how I would book it.

Woman's match doesn't interest me a bit, it's either the one stereotypical diva or the other one. I can't even tell them apart and they look so fake and hooter-like. Well, what I saw reminded me of why woman's wrestling is so moronic - they missed a lot of spots and made the match really horrible. Trish is the right winner, though, she is the one at least half able to wrestle.

Third match - Flair vs. Hunter - best match of the evening. Flair continues to amaze me at his age, he wrestles better than 90% of the other wrestlers. His selling abilities are great, he is a natural entertainer. He is the greatest wrestler alive, period. I'm not surprised that he lost, he already beat Triple H and they had to make up for that. Hunter can't lose twice to an old man or he will look bad, so it was OK. With the finish and what he had to do to the Nature Boy to keep him down, I think they didn't destroy anybody's standing.

Angle vs. Cena - I hate it. Sorry, but Cena can't wrestle and he is not even a bit interesting. Even the fans start to realize it and chanted "Cena s*cks". So much for that. The whole "we need dozens of referees" was bad. The match was bad. Give us a real champ, please.

Long vs. Bischoff - had it not happened at all, the world wouldn't have missed anything. Unnecessary but kind of surprising outcome with Bischoff losing after his masterplan in the match before failed. Even more surprising given the later win of the Smackdown brand. RAW losing everything? I thought Vinnie considered it the superior brand.

RAW vs. Smackdown - I didn't like how they portrayed Rey. This midget is able to beat almost the entire opponent team? Nearly killing the far bigger wrestlers like Big Show and Kane? Sorry, I don't buy that - an upset once in a while is OK, but having minis compete with the big men is unrealistic. They shouldn't make it so obvious that this is pre-planned and scripted. I like it how Orton won, which is making him stronger and Smackdown is in need of a strong and young star to carry it. Just don't give him the title yet, let him end his feud with Taker (hopefully winning it over the old guy) and then at next year's Wrestlemania he is due for the gold. This should be enough time to make him a monster-heel again and establish him as a superstar. I didn't like Michaels being the last man on RAW - no offense to Shawn, he is a good in-ring performer and I like him and his style, but he is not exactly young and other wrestlers would need the push more. When Batista can be eliminated early, Michaels certainly can be as well.

The end with Taker was just hilarious, I was laughing very hard. This isn't the late 80's, people don't buy that coffin thing anymore. Seriously, nobody should be able to lay out an entire roster, especially not an old man who is past his prime. Yes, you can have a strong Undertaker without making him a superhero. Take him the Flair route, this should be good enough.
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