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[Carl Unger]

wow, rush, you sound very hard to please because the the reviews I've read so far have been pretty good. although I do agree with you about the whole Rey Mysterio thing.

I certainly do hope that the RAW-Smackdown feud will continue so RAW can get some heat back.

[Rush]

Well, I'm certainly not easy to please, but WWE does nothing to please anybody. The storylines are very stale, the wrestling is weak and thus they are not drawing a lot of viewers on TV or spectators in the arenas. While you may not get better entertainment in other leagues, at least you can watch decent wrestling. There is no Cena in RoH, he would be booed to hell there.

But aside from me being displeased easily, I have only read bad reviews of the show. Almost everybody said that Cena is weak and when even the people in the arena kind of turn on him, you can't hold on to this champion anymore. The Marks will cheer him forever because he's the face, but chants of "Cena s*cks" are pretty good indicators that his time as a champ should be over.

Watching the exploding casket and Taker's demolition of the whole Smackdown roster - didn't it look fake as hell? This story was cool decades ago, it isn't nowadays. You're not winning spectator with this comic style.

The woman's match was full of mistakes. It was so plainly visible. At the end Trish didn't even know in which corner to go because Melina fell through the ring like a drunkard without a plan.

This was one bad PPV and on the wrestling website I'm working for nearly everybody felt that way.
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[Rob1981]

The Raw/Smackdown feud is far from over I bet. They wouldn't just end it right now.

Rush sounds like he didn't actually see the event.


I didn't see the event either, but I read plenty of the reviews of it and from the sounds of it many people did enjoy the event.

I hated how they basically had Lashley get squashed in the match and pinned quickly. I think WWE made mistakes by putting Lashley and Masters in the main event. I would have preferred Benoit in Lashley's spot, and WWE basically had no other Raw main eventer to stick in Masters spot. I guess they didn't have a choice. While Booker T and Benoit put on good matches usually, the best of 7 series could've waited until after Survivor Series.

WWE just loves to push people too soon, that's been their problem many times in the past as well. I'm all for pushing young talent, but this soon isn't right. Chris Masters certainly isn't main event worthy. Not many people on Raw are ready for the main event either, so that's a problem.

Bobby Lashley is a good talent, but doesn't need to main event so soon. I think the main event could've been better if it was 4 vs 4, instead of 5 vs 5.


Batista being hurt, and still being in the match made me a little mad. Undertaker easily should have had his spot in the match. Someone hurt (in real life) should be resting and not doing moves in the ring. Prevent further damage instead of being dumb, is what they should be doing when it comes to the World champ Batista.
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[Rush]

I saw it live (on TV) and made a Liveticker for the wrestling website I'm working for. So yes, I've got a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. And yes, the PPV got pretty bad response on our boards.
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[Rob1981]

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinions.


Don't forget, special live Tuesday Smackdown tomorrow night on UPN. Big Show vs Rey Mysterio in a Raw vs Smackdown match. Booker T vs Chris Benoit in match 2 of 7 for the U.S title.

Since it's only an hour, they could possibly throw in one more match for the show.

I'm all for the Booker T/Benoit feud, but I just hope it doesn't just drag out for many months. I hope it ends at Royal Rumble (or sooner if possible), and not Wrestlemania. Even if it goes to the final 7th match (meaning a 3-3 tiebreaker), I don't want Booker T/Benoit at Wrestlemania. For Wrestlemania, I would prefer Benoit in the main event for the World title, where he rightfully belongs once again.

I certainly hope Sharmell goes away sometime soon, she is horrible, plain and simple. I hated her in WCW as the Nitro girl/manager, and I just can't stand her. What exactly did Booker do to earn the right for his annoying wife to be on TV with him?
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[Carl Unger]

I think the Raw/Smackdown feud is over.
on RAW today it seems they have dropped the storyline altogether and also the rumored Elimination Chamber in January also indicates an ending to the feud.

I feel RAW got the bad end of the stick, I know many Smackdown guys complain about being 2nd to RAW blah blah blah but we've got to look at the stats

now, firstly at Survivor Series Smackdown won 2 out of 3 interpromotional contests including the Big 1.

at Wrestlemania Smackdown! won the 2 interpromotional contests.

at the Royal Rumble a RAW superstar won the Royal Rumble, however, it was a Smackdown superstar the last 2 times.

[Obecorp]

I didn't get to see Survivor Series, but I heard that they did a pretty decent show. It probably could have been better, but Eddie Guerrero's death might have thrown a lot of things of, and there really wasn't a lot of room for buildup for everything that was going on (in Raw vs. Smackdown, the WWE title match, etc).

Here's some random opinions...

I am actually a little bit happy that the Smackdown team won. I thought that there are a lot of talented and underutilized wrestlers in the Smackdown brand, so I was actually a little bit relieved to see it win. But, I'm guessing that Smackdown might have won to shakeup the GM storyline in Raw (as from what was seen last night). I was a little disappointed to find out that Bobby Lashley was the first person eliminated. I guess they still made him look kinda good for escaping a potential Master Lock, but I thought that he would at least eliminate one of the Raw guys to give him a little push. But speaking of Lashley, they need to give him a chance in the mic more. They're doing a decent job so far just getting him over with his in-ring capabilities, but that can only take you so far.

Speaking of underutilized talent, they should use the Boogeyman a little more. His skits have been pretty entertaining, IMO. I'm actually glad they used him a little bit on the GM match on Survivor series.

Now to the overutilized wrestlers. I can't believe that John Cena is still the champion. I was really hoping that Kurt Angle will finally do it on Survivor Series, as well as last night on Raw. But, for some reason, Cena found another way to win. I honestly don't see how a person can have the belt that long, and only do a maximum of 15 different moves per match. Cena probably still has the belt though because he is probably the ideal character that the average WWE fan "relates to", and is pretty good when he makes media appearances. But, at the same time, it is starting to catch on with a lot of fans that Cena's time as champ should nearly come to an end. If the WWE continues to keep the belt on him, then I see them eventually losing some fan base.

And about Batista's injury, he really shouldn't keep on wrestling, just because he might get hurt more. I see him probably losing to Orton, then Orton probably losing to the Undertaker. But if that doesn't happen, Batista will make his injury "public", forfeit the belt, and somekind of tournament would be held to win the belt. But, I would definitely love to see the Undertaker win the belt one more time, hold it until he retires (which may be soon), and go out on top.

As far as the Raw GM situation, I think that Bischoff may somehow find a way to stay involved with Raw. But then again, maybe there should be a time for change. He has stayed as Raw GM since Vince McMahon assigned General Managers to both brands.
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[Rob1981]

I somehow think Shane will become general manager. The crowd reaction to Shane is better than Bischoff I believe. People have been whining for a while about how Shane should come back. I think Vince finally is going to give them what they want, and bring Shane back fulltime as the GM of Raw.

I hope it's not the case, but it really seems like it's very possible to me. Shane McMahon is very overrated. Plus if he would come back fulltime, people would expect him in matches again, which is something I don't want to see again.

Randy Orton was planned to beat Batista for the World title, but I don't know if they are still going to do that. Undertaker winning it from Randy at Wrestlemania would be good, since Undertaker is looking to retire pretty soon I believe. I would like Undertaker to end his career (if he does indeed retire this year), with a long World title reign. His past times as world champ in WWF/E haven't been long. The longest was only about 5 months I think.

As for the WWE world title, I think Cena needs to go as champ. He has had the belt enough, and Angle deserves it more. Cena is a no talent, catch phrase wrestler. Basically a current version of The Rock if you ask me.
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[Carl Unger]

Well, I read that Randy Orton is sheduled to win the Royal Rumble and beat Batista for the World Championship and Cena is going to retain until/after Wrestlemania.

I honestly don't want to see Randy Orton vs. Batista in the Wrestlemania main event.
firstly, because I don't think they can put on a good match, secondly it isn't a dream match.

What happend to all those huge title main events at Wrestlemania (eg. Austin vs. Rock - Andre vs. Hulk)

[Pally]

I haden't watched wrestling since I was about 13 years of age. So 5 years now, although I generally looked over it and I knew about the split, new superstars and so forth I didn't really have no interest in it.

A couple of weeks back I bought Smackdown Vs Raw 2006 for my PS2, I have been engrossed in this game ever since I purchased it!
This led me to watching my first wresting in years, Friday night Smackdown. I enjoy it as much as I did when I was younger. Then suddenly Survivor Series was upon us, I decided to invite a few friends around and watch this main event, we all sat gripped to the TV screen talking about wrestling from the past, great matches like Brett Hart Vs Shawn Michaels, Undertaker Vs Mankind and TLC matches, suddenly when we thought it was all over and Randy Orton stood alone in the ring winning for team Smackdown, the dead man appeared, well that sent us all mad! It was enjoyable and I must say I'm back to watching regular wrestling every week now.

Lets just hope I keep my interest going for a long while now.
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[Rob1981]

That's great, a reborn wrestling fan!


Who else saw the Tuesday Smackdown special?


In my opinion the matches were good, but the ending was bad and just stupid. In case people don't know, Rey drove a lowrider to the ring (in memory of Eddie Guerrero). Big Show spit on the lowrider, and powerbombed Rey on the hood late into their match. Kane came down, and Big Show+Kane double chokeslammed him in the ring. Undertaker came out and took both men out. Then Randy Orton did the RKO on Undertaker, and put him in the back of the lowrider and hit him with a tire iron a few times. Randy then reversed the lowrider through the entrance. Randy dove out of the car in time. An explosion happened, setting the car on fire. Then white smoke appeared.


Why must WWE do something like this so early upon Undertaker's return? Everyone basically figured Orton+Undertaker's feud wasn't over, so they continue it like this? A little dumb if you ask me.


This Friday on Smackdown: a tag team battle royal takes place. The winning team fights WWE tag champs MNM at Armageddon. The teams involved are: Chad+James, Mexicools, LOD, Brian Kendrick+Paul London, Vito+Nunzio and Scotty Too Hotty+Funaki.

You know tag wrestling is struggling in WWE, when they stick a jobber team in the battle royal. They should've just made it 5 teams, instead of 6 teams (with one of them being a non-regular team).

Onto a little TNA news. On Impact this week, Bobby Heenan will debut. Plus White Sox player AJ Pierzynski will be making a guest appearance on the show.
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[Rush]

[Rob1981]

Remember, Friday Night Smackdown is tonight. The 6-team battle royal, with the winning team getting a title shot at Armageddon later in the month.

Also, I'm sure we will learn the fate of the Undertaker. I somehow bet they will use the same old thing they always say "When the car was checked after the fire, no body was found, Undertaker survived it somehow".


I'm a fan of the Undertaker, but they certainly didn't need to do that whole exploding car garbage on Tuesday. I can understand if they do it later on for whatever reason, but doing it so soon from when Undertaker returned is just dumb in my opinion.

Booker T is up 2 matches to nothing in the best of 7 series. I hope WWE isn't planning a major comeback for Chris Benoit. If it goes to 3-0, and then Benoit wins the next 4 matches to become U.S champ, people will basically call it a ripoff of the Boston Red Sox coming back to win the Division/World Series last year. I wouldn't be surprised if WWE did that though, because they tend to use real life things in their storylines. But come on, it's Benoit! He is a great person, but they don't need to make him into a comeback wrestler or something.

Put Benoit back in the main event already! Smackdown's main event scene isn't that promising right now. It's basically Batista, Randy Orton, Undertaker and JBL. That's about it. Benoit and/or Booker T in the main event would be good, just as long as Sharmell isn't around anymore. She isn't needed for Booker T to be a better heel or whatever. Smackdown does have exciting and decent matches either way, but they certainly need to improve the main event scene.
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[Rob1981]

Who saw Friday Smackdown? I watched most of it, and didn't like how they handled Boogeyman's in-ring match debut.

He fought Simon Dean (a heel), and the match was dumb. Dean acted all scared, while Boogeyman ate some worms. Then Boogeyman did one move, and pinned Dean. I thought Boogeyman was heel? They certainly make him out to be one. If anything, Boogeyman is just lame and people don't really care if he is face or not.
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[memoryproblems]

I didn't see it, i'm not a fan of smack-down. TNA still is my first and foremost love.
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