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Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:01 am Post subject:

Backlash is tonight, here is the full card (wrestler in bold are who I think will win):

Main event: WWE champ John Cena vs Triple H vs Edge

-Should be a fine main event, even though Cena is a horrible wrestler. He will retain, that way RVD can win it at ECW One Night Stand (it's basically a given, RVD will challenge for WWE title at ONS no matter who wins this)

Shawn Michaels vs Vince+Shane McMahon

-Shawn will hopefully win this, and end this stupid storyline. I somehow think Triple H might help Shawn win.

I.C champ Shelton Benjamin vs Rob Van Dam in a "Winner takes all" match (whoever wins this, gets the I.C title and the Money in the Bank title shot)

-RVD will win this most likely, since he is planned to challenge for the WWE title. The only chance Shelton has to win, is if RVD gets a Raw rematch (and wins the MITB again). But that would be dumb, Shelton having it one day, then losing it back.

Big Show vs Kane

-To further hype his movie, WWE will have Kane win this probably. Otherwise a DQ finish, to continue the feud...

Ric Flair vs Umaga

-I smell a dud with this one. Umaga will go over, making his un-needed push continue on.

Carlito vs Chris Masters

-Should be an okay match, if they get enough time that is.

Women's champ Mickie James vs Trish Stratus

-I don't think Mickie will lose the title this soon.

Backlash should be okay, but nothing extra special I bet. I think the tag titles will be defended on Heat before Backlash (otherwise a quick tag match will be added at the last minute to the PPV itself).
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Rush · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject:

Because I doubt that RVD will win the world title (especially without a feud like a possible shot at ONS would be), I'm pretty sure that Cena will lose it today. Even if he retains, it will be in some kind of double turn to make him heel (which is the right thing considering the crowd reactions to him) and HHH face. However I could also imagine Edge winning the title, he's very good as a heel and could work a feud with a face HHH.

Shawn may win due to a resurrection of DX with Hunter - but the feud should definitely take an end here - it was interesting for a while but it gets pretty ridiculous lately.

The rest is not that interesting - Mickie vs. Trish was a nice feud and I'm looking forward to that a bit, but Flair vs. Umaga or Kane vs. Big Show is toilet time Very Happy

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Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject:

Kane and Big Show need to stop feuding. This is at least the third or fourth time they have feuded (in the course of the past 6-7 years I believe).

It doesn't seem like alot in the big picture, but their matches are pretty dull usually.

Repeat feuds = garbage most of the time.

Other examples of bad repeat feuds: Undertaker/Kane, Ric Flair/Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels/Triple H, and many more.

Usually some of the matches have been ok in the first feud between the 2 people, but that's about it.

Who else has seen the preview for Kane's movie? It looks horribly bad. I hope when it fails, WWE will make something decent or just stop making movies.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject:

Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:

Rob1981 · Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject:

A short Raw preview for tonight:

-The return of Mick Foley (appearing on Edge's Cutting Edge segment)

-A big announcement by Vince McMahon

I think the announcement will either involve Shawn Michaels or it will be the 2006 draft.

Hopefully the draft, and shuffle up the shows a little to freshen them up. It might not be yet though, since ECW isn't until June. So June is probably more likely for the draft.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:54 am Post subject:

Unless I missed something, the announcement by Vince wasn't special on Raw. He just made the Spirit Squad, GM's for the night.

Also on Raw, Foley returned and challenged Edge to a rematch. The rematch happens this week, Foley gets to choose what type of match it will be.

With ECW coming back, I hope Foley doesn't join them. He was a part of ECW at times, but I would rather him remain on Raw. His part time role is just fine with me.

In case you didn't know, the Judgment Day main event has been announced: World champ Rey Mysterio vs U.S champ JBL. I'm glad JBL is getting back to the main event finally, but he will job to Rey I bet. I think WWE plans to have Rey hold the title for a while longer (unless he gets hurt or whatever).
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Rush · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:48 am Post subject:

There are a lot of rumors about a possible return of D-X at the Vengeance PPV. It was written accidentally on a website and it is featured on the website of the arena as well. Sure WWE denied it, but there have been a lot of hints on TV as well and I'm pretty sure they will bring it back as the fans seem to love it.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject:

A DX reunion is such a stupid mistake. WWE needs to realize, things in the past, belong in the past.

A leaked thing is one thing, but a fake thing is another. Fake posters pop up online all the time, and people believe them.

The DX thing is probably true though, just because of the fact WWE/Vince McMahon is desperate for ideas to draw in fans of the past.

A DX with just Shawn+Triple H (plus whoever they randomly throw in), will be horrible. Road Dogg and Billy Gunn wont join, since they are with TNA, and aren't leaving TNA anytime soon. X-Pac is somewhat likely, but I doubt it.

Vince McMahon needs to live in the present, not the past.

New ECW = will fail.

DX reunion = will fail.

ECW will last a while longer than DX I bet, but overall both will be failures. Just wait and see.

What's next, a new WCW, a 4 Horsemen group for WWE? I wouldn't be surprised at all, if either of those came to WWE somehow.

WWE should focus on what they have now, instead of bringing back crap like ECW.

The tag and cruiserweight divisions could be fixed easily, but aren't going to be. Alot of the cruiserweights will head to ECW I bet (Super Crazy, Psychosis, Nunzio, Kid Kash, etc). WWE wants to use as many ex-ECW stars as possible, along with development (OVW, DSW) wrestlers for the new ECW.

What's even worse is, WWE wants to use small locations for ECW shows. The locations ECW used to use, is what WWE wants them at. What's the point of that? It's just looking to fail, if they use small locations and get small crowds. ECW may have lots of fans still, but I don't think alot are going to enjoy this new ECW much.
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Rush · Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:56 am Post subject:

Well, it depends on how well they are able to replicate the old ECW. In the beginning the small arenas are a good thing as people won't come in large numbers. Even WWE shows are not always sold out, so why should a new ECW with first-time storylines draw a larger crowd?

In order to keep ECW interesting, they have to do the hardcore stuff, they have to show the trash-style and they can't afford to limit the moveset of the wrestlers. If they are able to have flaming-baseball bat matches or barbed-wire or 1000 lighttubes and if they have wrestlers flying from balconies, if they show the badass attitude from the likes of the beer-drinking Sandman or Shane Douglas, then I believe ECW can be a success. For a niche crowd of course as it is not made for the overall public. Which can be profitable nonetheless.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:10 am Post subject:

I doubt Vince McMahon will approve of all the trash wrestling, involving all the high spots/big bumps. Vince is shelling out plenty of money for this, I doubt he wants to risk many injuries to people that he has under contract. If this new ECW has all the garbage wrestling (with lots of weapons and all that), it's a huge mistake. Many people will get injured, and it will hurt show sales and all that. Like I've said before, this new ECW won't last long. Vince is going to waste alot of money, and then months later he will be thinking "why did I waste money on yet another failed attempt to ressurect something old?"

Same goes for this whole DX reunion. It won't last long, and it won't be anything good compared to the original.

But anyway...

Mick Foley is now a heel, and siding with Edge. On Raw last night, Foley attacked Tommy Dreamer, then let Edge pin him (in a 3-way that involved Foley, Edge+Dreamer).

I don't think a heel Foley will work that well. He has been face too long, people don't want to boo him now.

As for the rest of Raw, not much else happened of importance. Jim Ross returned to the broadcast booth, and a new diva debuted. Yet another "crazed fan" is her gimmick it seems. She attacked Mickie James. The identity of this new diva: Beth Phoenix.

RVD beat Charlie Haas, Shelton Benjamin+Chris Masters in a 4-way.

Big Show/Kane had another boring pointless match. The Kane movie will flop I bet. The first week might do okay, but then it will go downhill from there.

The Eugene/Matt Striker feud continued. Eugene attacked Matt Striker (during the Carlito/Striker match).

Umaga squashed 2 jobbers in a pointless match that belonged on Heat.

Lastly, in the main event.. the Spirit Squad beat John Cena+Shawn Michaels in a handicap match. After the match, Triple H gave Cena the pedigree.

I think it's time they introduce new people to the Raw main event. I'm sick of seeing Shawn, Cena and Triple H as the main 3 people. RVD won't be there much longer, since he will be in ECW. As for Edge+Foley, I'm sure they will be more in the main event, once WWE vs ECW begins (but it's not like we will ever see Edge or Foley as champ again I bet). Big Show+Kane are pretty boring, and don't deserve anymore main event time. People like Carlito, Shelton Benjamin and others belong in the main event. It shouldn't just be the same guys. Triple H and Shawn will be in the main event, until they retire I bet. Same goes for Cena. At this rate, it will be a while before more younger people get shots at the title. With Shawn+Triple H, they will be around a while. Even if they can't wrestle like they used to, they will dominate the main event for at least 5 (or more) years.
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Rush · Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:09 am Post subject:

Problem is - even though they can't wrestle like they used to, they still wrestle better than Cena and others. Especially Michaels is always able to put up a good AND entertaining match. Triple H is Triple H, he's believable as a brawler, he has some technical moves and he is just big without being clumsy like Big Show or Kane.

With the focus on two brands, they lost out on a lot of talent because it is in the other brand. Batista, Orton (who has several problems with his attitude but is a star nonetheless), Taker, JBL. Now they want to create a third brand which will require them to split their wrestlers up even more. I seriously doubt that it will work out well for the old brands in the beginning and for all brands in the end.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:

TNA Sacrifice is this Sunday, my picks are in bold, followed by thoughts below the match.

Here is the card (I'm pretty sure this is the complete card):

-World champ Christian Cage vs Abyss in Full Metal Mayhem

I doubt Abyss will win the title ever (unless he wins it for a short time, which is doubtful as well). When Cage loses the title, it will be to Sting or Jarrett I bet.

-Sting+Samoa Joe vs Jeff Jarrett+Scott Steiner

I don't think Jarrett+Steiner will win this one, unless Joe turns on Sting (which I don't think would happen)

-Tag champs America's Most Wanted vs AJ Styles+Christopher Daniels

Should be the best tag match of the night. It's time for AMW to not have the titles.

-James Gang vs Team 3-D

Team 3-D wins, then gets a tag title shot and wins the gold finally I bet. This is a dream match of sorts, since these two teams have never fought to my knowledge. But it's too little, too late. This should've happened years ago, not now. Both teams are stale and just wasting space on the TNA roster.

-Jushin Liger vs Petey Williams in a World X Cup match

Should be singles match of the night (unless the other X cup match outdoes this one)

-World X Cup finals: Gauntlet match featuring all 4 teams/all 16 members

Hard to choose a winner, since this match is full of great talent (for the most part).

-Raven vs A1

-Rhino vs Bobby Rude

Two Filler matches so people can go to the bathroom and all that.

Plus at the PPV, Kevin Nash will make an appearance. Overall, Sacrifice looks about average. The two World X cup matches look good, and the World title+tag title matches should be good. Other than those, it's a poor card.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject:

What's good everyone? Long time, no post. Guess I'll get in a few cents...

I do believe the WWE product is getting stale (Smackdown and Raw), which is the reason why probably many people feel that the return of ECW is necessary. Back when Joey Styles cut his "I Quit" promo on Raw, I actually found myself agreeing with him a whole lot. Probably with the return of this style of wrestling on a different brand, the WWE can attract/get back more people in their audience, somehow. In the long term however, there probably is not much of a chance that ECW might work because of the more risque style. I'm guessing though that the ECW wrestlers probably won't be paid nearly as much as the regular WWE wrestlers, so it will make up for the potential injuries.

As far as Raw goes, it has been less desirable to watch. Sure, it was a little interesting that they turned Mick Foley heel, but it probably wouldn't work in the long term also, because he was really built up as a face. I'm sure they're probably just doing this to set up a potential feud between Foley and ECW because of their history together. Other than that, in Raw, they don't have a great tag-team division, and the women's division is shot because Trish is gone, and their main event is pretty thin. They do have some potential bright spots in RVD and Shelton Benjamin. RVD is arguably up there now, but Shelton probably still needs to work a bit on his mic skills to make the leap, even though athletically, he's probably way up there. I do think that there probably is a good chance Cena will finally lose the belt on the next Raw to HHH. Even if HHH only has a short run, I think change would be good for the company.

(To be continued)
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject:

In Smackdown, it really is nice to see JBL back in the main event picture. He is probably one of the best wrestlers that can generate a lot of good heat with his promos. I do wish though that they'd have him in a few more matches before Judgement Day to make him look more main-event worthy. Sure, he did beat Benoit, but since WM, Benoit has been on a slide. He is also a guy that should be in the main event picture, but probably wouldn't be for a while.

As far as Rey Mysterio being champion, those last few weeks in Smackdown did not help one bit for him to make his case. To have him lose to Angle by DQ, and destroyed by two guys who tremendously oversize him doesn't really help him in his case as a credible "heavyweight" champion. In his match against Khali or what I'd like to call him "Tiger Ali Singh on steroids", they should have at least had the Undertaker do a run-in, and not have him totally destroyed in his hometown. That's just bad. Don't get me wrong, I do hope that Rey Mysterio would still make a good champion, but the way they're spinning it right now, it's kind of hard to believe it.

Speaking of the Undertaker, where the hell is he? (No pun intended) There is about a week until his match in the PPV yet he has still hasn't showed up since the taping after 'Mania. They didn't even do any of his "mind games" things that he usually does. I don't think the Great Khali deserves this kind of push yet, especially against the Undertaker. If he happens to get a victory over 'Taker in the PPV, that would just be too huge of a step because Undertaker is a really big name. Sure, Khali is unbelievably and freakishly huge but I don't think that should warrant that kind of push. That's just too soon in my opinion for someone that does nothing but yell on the mic.

I haven't really been following TNA all that much, but it looks like things have been happening. But, their shows haven't been worth trying to catch because Rob1981 has been right in saying that it is quickly becoming a platform for former talent. I don't really care about wrestlers such as the Steiner brothers and Buff Bagwell anymore. However, it is nice to see TNA is looking less and less like "the Jeff Jarrett show".

One last thing, it does look like Lashley is probably the favorite to win KOR like I originally predicted. They probably aren't gonna give it to Booker T, although it is nice to see that they have been making good use of a talent like Booker.
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