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Rob1981 · Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:58 am Post subject:

WWE giving ECW a full on touring schedule this soon isn't a completely good idea.

If ECW fails early (which is very possible in my opinion), people will be very upset. I'm sure WWE will give out refunds for cancelled cards, but people will still be upset with the whole mess.

In Smackdown news, if you haven't heard: JBL lost the U.S title last week and "quit" because he is injured. Chris Benoit was "hurt" by Henry, because he needed a break.

So Smackdown certainly is going to be lacking for a little while at least. Randy Orton is still suspended (until the middle of June I believe), Angle is gone now, Batista, Benoit and JBL are out as well.

On the upside, this gives others time to shine. Hopefully the returning Ken Kennedy gets more airtime, as well as others that deserve Smackdown time.

In DVD news, Degeneration X is coming on June 6. It looks like it's just a reprint of the video with 8 bonus matches. I liked the video, and I'm really hoping the DVD has more than just those 8 bonus matches.

Also on June 6, American Dream: Dusty Rhodes story comes to DVD. It's a DVD for his entire career, which includes 15 matches plus promos, interviews and more.

Plus on June 6: "The World's Greatest Wrestling Managers" DVD hits stores as well. It will feature Jim Cornette, Paul Bearer, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, Sunny, Grand Wizard and more.

I will pick up the managers DVD, I've been waiting for something like that for a while.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:42 am Post subject:

Smackdown on Friday was okay, but was certainly lacking.

The show didn't feature any tag matches at all. I believe there was no reference to the tag titles either, same thing goes for the cruiserweight title.

If anything, the show just promoted ECW One Night Stand, and showed off the power of Great Khali, Mark Henry, and Booker's new alliance with Finlay+William Regal.

Also on Smackdown, they announced Ken Kennedy returns next week! That will certainly improve the show. Plus Batista is returning on July 7. Ashley made her WWE return, and is now part of Smackdown. Michelle McCool made her Smackdown return as well.

Here is an updated ECW One Night Stand preview:

*WWE title match: John Cena (champ) vs Rob Van Dam

*World title match: Rey Mysterio (champ) vs Sabu

*Terry Funk+Tommy Dreamer vs Mick Foley+Edge

*Kurt Angle has issued an open challenge to anyone from any promotion to wrestle him at ONS (Chris Benoit is my guess)

Expected to take place: Tazz vs Jerry Lawler, plus a few more matches. Other people that are expected to be at ONS in some form: CW Anderson, Francine, Sandman, Axl Rotten, Balls Mahoney, Danny Doring, Tony Mamaluke and more.

The show looks okay, but nothing that special.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:

From the way the WWE is promoting ECW, I don't think it will fail early. The demand for ECW seems to be pretty high (with the successes in the books, DVDs, and last year's ONS PPV), and many fans are generally excited to see ECW coming back. Plus, from what I understand, the first ECW tv show on June 13 is gonna be taped and aired live, right after WWE Friday Night Smackdown is taped. That should be a good way to get fans interested. From looking at the touring schedule, it looks like a few of the ECW TV shows are gonna be taped right after Smackdown and aired live.

Another reason why I don't think ECW would fail so early, is because the way I see it, ECW is gonna be WWE's answer to TNA, as an "alternative" brand of wrestling that isn't as focused on drama and story-line development. However, a noticable difference is that ECW is gonna tour nationwide now, in bigger venues, unlike the first go-around. And since it is now on WWE's resources moreso than before, things will be ran more professionally, and wrestlers will actually be paid. With the exception of the XFL, Vince has always been a pretty good business man, and I don't think that he will let his investment tank too early.

As far as the ONS PPV, it looks pretty interesting. Last year's show was actually really good (just saw the DVD a few days ago), but it looks like they are really gonna try to do their best to top it despite the lack of available talent. But with all the developments, IMO there's gonna be a decent chance for them to do that. I'm actually thinking about ordering it. I'll give more of my opinions and possible predictions in a future post.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:

In a pretty obvious move, WWE has fired Road Warrior Animal. Good riddance I say, he was useless in my opinion.

In other WWE news, Lillian Garcia and Beth Phoenix are injured. Lillian accidently got hit by Charlie Haas (when he was going off the ropes prior to his match), and Beth was hurt due to Victoria being too rough during their match.

Some of the card for WWE vs ECW Head to Head (tomorrow on USA network) has been announced:

WWE champ John Cena vs Sabu (non-title)

World champ Rey Mysterio vs Rob Van Dam (non-title)

20-man battle royal featuring stars from all 3 brands (Known people in it are Al Snow, Balls Mahoney, Big Show, Carlito, Edge, Kurt Angle, Mark Henry, Mick Foley, Shelton Benjamin, Terry Funk, Tommy Dreamer, plus 9 more)
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Obecorp · Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject:

memoryproblems · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:05 am Post subject:

well, i was watching the head to head stuff, and i have to say, i was pretty entertained, i think it might have renewed my interest in wrestling. I've watched tna a bit, but not alot. Anyway, i was somewhat entertained by the whole thing, especially the battal royal, in which the big show defected to the ECW and threw Orton out of the ring. I personally think that bringing back the ECW is a good move, but is somewhat confusing to me. Since their touring with one of the larger shows of the WWE, their never going to have a stage set primarily for themselves, and it won't look quite as good.

Additionally, i'm somewhat puzzled on why the superstars would leave their respective shows? leave a weekly two hour gig to go to a 1 hour show thats second stage to the bigger performance? I suppose vince wants it really bad.

I've been wondering, since the wwe is resurecting the ECW, perhaps they might resurrect the WCW? that question seems pointless, there isn't really any WCW remnants in the WWE anymore, and the ones that were in the WCW have all moved to TNA, but, doesn't WWE own the WCW brand?

I've been thinking about this, with ECW, there is a professional wrestling event on cable/network television 4 out of the 5 days of the week.

Monday - RAW on USA
Tuesday- ECW on SCI
Thursday- TNA on SPK
Friday- SMACKDOWN on NBC

is it just me, or is this industry expanding back quickly? i mean, before the WCW shut down, there was 2 shows by both the WCW (nitro and thunder) and 2 by WWE (raw and smackdown). The WWE had heat, but nobody really ever cared about heat. then the WCW got shut down, and the WWE started up velocity. Then it basically got back down to just Raw and Smackdown, and then the TNA, and now the ECW. i think that this is alot of diversifacation of ideas. 6 sides/4 sides, barb wire, conventional style, etc. Neat-o.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject:

memoryproblems · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject:

if i recall correctly, Benoit and Big Show left the WCW before it collapsed, but yeah, the WCW wasn't alot to look at in its dying days. The TNA might not have gotten the majority of WCW, but they still got pretty much the real big names of the former WCW. But i'm still somewhat puzzled. I understand that the WCW doesn't have that big of fan base, but i'm somewhat confused why. I mean, WCW was alot bigger show than ECW. maybe its because the WCW was more traditional.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject:

It is strange ECW has more fans still, even though WCW had much better talent for the most part.

It basically shows people would rather see garbage hardcore, than regular wrestling.

I watched WCW most of the time, and while it wasn't perfect, it still had great matches. The storylines weren't that great though. All the celebrities they used was annoying.

Cruiserweight matches were alot better in WCW, compared to the stuff WWE does now. I'm still waiting for a best of the cruiserweight division DVD to come out by WWE. The matches between 3 Count and Jung Dragons were amazing. Plus all the great matches with people like Dean Malenko, Chris Jericho, Ultimo Dragon and more.

It was dumb in WCW, how they pushed the old guys way too much. They had the young talent, that usually got stuck in mid card while Hogan and the NWO just dominated for a while.
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memoryproblems · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

the big names make them the money, not the young talent.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:33 am Post subject:

For the most part, big names make them money. But in WCW's case, the big names were just making WCW fall apart. They put on horrible matches way too much. WCW had to give away tickets to Nitro alot and other desperate measures, because fans simply didn't care anymore.

It's a little sad WWE bought WCW. I think with the right owners, it could've been repaired to decent shape. They had the known talent plus plenty of young talent.

In TNA news, Samoa Joe is now scheduled to face Scott Steiner at Slammiversary. Hopefully Joe wins, Steiner is a useless wrestler and has been for a while. I'm just hoping Steiner isn't too rough, so Joe remains injury free during the match.
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memoryproblems · Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject:

well, i don't think it was their fault for putting on a bad show, it was mainly just poor storylines. if it had been sold to the right person, new management could have fixed that. Personally, i was a bigger fan of the WCW shows than the WWE shows. I didn't really watch WWE often, and I still don't but i watched the WCW starting about 9 months before its conclusion, all the way up to the conclusion. I then watched some WWE, but i didn't stick to that, it just wasn't that good in my opinion. I think the TNA has more potential than the WWE, they just need to get some quality wrestlers other than what they've got and some publicity, maybe a better tv slot would be benificial too. I mean, 11 pm eastern time/10 central isn't too prime a spot. its impossible to attract a younger crowd like 12-15 there, cause all those kids are going to bed.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject:

Smackdown was a pretty good show tonight, but the Tazz turn was too predictable. Especially when the ECW site lists Tazz as a superstar (way before this was shown or even taped for TV).

In other news, Ken Kennedy returned and was impressive yet again. Hopefully the rumors of him going to ECW aren't true.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:14 am Post subject:

Personally, I believed that WCW failed because overall, it was a bad product. They did have a lot of talented wrestlers, but they were usually underutilized, and most of them defected to the rival promotion WWE. Their storyline development was garbage, because they were mostly focused on stable rivalries and older wrestlers, rather than the more talented, younger wrestlers in the mid-card. Plus, they weren't entertaining at all, in any aspect, whether it was the horrible play-by-play/storytelling, or the product in the ring. I remembered one match on Nitro where nothing literally happened for more than 5 minutes (Lex Luger had somebody on the surfboard submission for that long). The only exception were the cruserweights, which were at times very fun to watch! Sadly, over the years, I think the WWE was heading towards this direction because of the lack of competition. That's probably the reason why they brought back ECW, to offer an "alternative".

ECW isn't all "garbage hardcore". They usually have the most athletically gifted performers in the industry, and you see a lot more risks, which make it very entertaining to watch. That is why they had more fans than WCW. Whenever I watched it, ECW's one hour of programming on Friday, was a much better watch than WCW's 5+ hours of programming each week. Back in the old days of ECW, I always thought it was very entertaining to watch, back when it was in the old TNN (when it was The Nashville Network). They didn't have the "established stars" but you always saw the passion in the product.

I too am glad to see Mr. Kennedy back. Nice to see him doing the swanton bomb. In his earlier days, he usually utilized this move quite a bit, but this was the first time we've seen him do it while featured in TV in the WWE. I don't think he'll go to ECW, just because it looks like he would be better fitted and more needed in Smackdown.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject:

ECW One Night Stand just ended. I didn't order it, but I read the results online.

Here is the full results.

SPOILERS...

1: Tazz choked out Jerry Lawler in the very quick opening match. Joey Styles came out, and Lawler was going to piledrive him, then Tazz choked Lawler out to win it.

My thoughts: It was obvious this would be short, but come on now... Tazz needs help from Styles to win over Lawler? Lawler is 50 something, it just doesn't seem realistic for Tazz to have help to beat an old semi-retired wrestler (Lawler works indy shows still, but not as much as he used to).

2: Kurt Angle made Randy Orton submit.

My thoughts: From the sounds of it, the match looked bad compared to the previous Orton/Angle matches.

3: FBI (Little Guido+Tony Mamaluke, managed by Big Guido) beat Super Crazy+Tajiri

Post match saw Big Show attack all 5 men.

My thoughts: I'm sick and tired of the cruiserweights getting squashed by big men. Great Khali does it on Smackdown (and house shows), and Big Show does it to show off his power for ECW.

4: JBL appears, and insults ECW.

My thoughts: Hopefully JBL doesn't go to ECW full time, he should have more main event time on Smackdown since Angle is gone now.

5: World champ Rey Mysterio/Sabu no contest after Sabu sent Rey throw a table using a DDT

My thoughts: Sounded like a good match, but the finish is pretty lame.

6: Mick Foley, Edge+Lita beat Terry Funk, Tommy Dreamer+Beulah in a 6-person hardcore match (Edge pinned Beulah)

My thoughts: Typical old style ECW hardcore match. Nothing more, nothing less. Lita and Beulah being added to it (at the last minute), didn't seem to help the match much in my opinion.

7: Balls Mahoney beat Masato Tanaka

My thoughts: Seemed very bad by the sounds of it.

8: Eugene comes out, and gets attacked by Sandman.

My thoughts: Why not just have Sandman in a match on the PPV, instead of this crap?

9: Rob Van Dam beat WWE champ John Cena to win the title (after Edge interfered)

My thoughts: Of course this was going to happen. It was expected, and did happen. Paul Heyman made the count, so technically it could be reversed tomorrow on Raw.

One main reason ECW will fail is, they are trying to make them out as the bad guys. They need to win a WWE title and rename it ECW title, which is basically stupid and makes the WWE title mean less.
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