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Vengeance preview, thoughts and my picks in bold.
*WWE champ/ECW champ Rob Van Dam vs Edge (Only the WWE title is on the line I believe)
Thoughts: I doubt RVD is going to lose the title this soon.
*John Cena vs Sabu (lumberjack match)
Thoughts: Should be average with lots of bumps, nothing more or less.
*DX vs Spirit Squad (handicap match)
Thoughts: DX will win it probably. At least the tag titles aren't on the line (to my knowledge).
*Mick Foley vs Ric Flair (2 out 3 falls)
Thoughts: Hard to call, but I picked Flair. Should be an okay match, given that both men are certainly not in their primes.
*Kurt Angle vs Randy Orton
Thoughts: Should be one of the better matches on the card.
*I.C champ Shelton Benjamin vs Carlito vs Johnny Nitro
Thoughts: Shelton has had the belt long enough, it's time for a change.
*Kane vs Kane (2)
Thoughts: I think WWE will continue the feud longer, so I'm predicting a double count out or double DQ.
*Umaga vs Eugene
Thoughts: Basically a squash I bet. This shouldn't be on the PPV, it should be the Heat match.
Overall: 8 matches and not even half of them look decent.
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Vengeance took place last night, I was 4 out of 8 on my predictions.
Full results are:
Randy Orton beat Kurt Angle, Umage beat Eugene, Ric Flair beat Mick Foley in a 2 out 3 falls match (in 2 straight falls: pinfall, followed by a DQ win), Johnny Nitro beat I.C champ Shelton Benjamin+Carlito in a 3-way to win the title, WWE champ Rob Van Dam beat Edge, Kane (2) beat Kane, John Cena beat Sabu in an Extreme Lumberjack match, DX beat Tag champs Spirit Squad in a non-title 5-on-2 handicap match.
Notes from the show: Doink the Clown and Kamala returned, and were in Eugene's corner. After Umaga won, he attacked Jim Duggan+Doink. Kamala entered the ring, and Umaga left. So WWE might do a Kamala/Umaga feud now, which is lame.
Other than that, nothing interesting happened really. Pretty bland PPV.
Tonight on Raw: Rob Van Dam defends his WWE title against John Cena, Mickie James defends her Women's title against the returning Trish Stratus and Kane (the original one) will face Randy Orton.
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| Quote: | | Come on Obecorp, the ECW debut was bad. Hopefully you admit that at least. I figured it would be bad, but not that bad. |
Yeah, I do admit the debut of ECW on Sci-Fi wasn't that great. Honestly, it didn't really seem like it was written by Paul Heyman. Back when ECW had their old TV deal with TNN, you'd see a hell of a lot more wrestling, and a lot more interaction with the fans, which made the in-ring product pretty good back then. The only reason why it folded was because it didn't have the funds it needed because they weren't really featured in the big venues and they didn't have the promotional $$ that the WWE had. But since ECW is owned by WWE, there are bound to be some similarities between the two, and WWE's involvement with ECW is bound to water down the product a little bit.
However, I still do see ECW having a lot of potential. The ECW ONS PPV was still one of the better PPVs that the WWE has put out, because it really embodied the passion that the ECW product really stood for. And despite what anyone says, the fans in ECW are still probably the best and most passionate wrestling fans in the world. They were really creative with their chants in the RVD and Cena match, and I say that because they not only chanted cursewords, but they used it creatively (sort of like how you will see in some college basketball home games). What they were chanting to Cena that night was pretty mean, but it was exactly what many of Cena's haters actually think of him.
But that's partly the reason why ECW on TV hasn't been as great.. it still seems to be a WWE product instead of the "rebellious" brand that they try to make themselves out to be. The TV shows are taped live in front of mostly WWE fans (some who like wrestlers such as Cena, and the "sports-entertainers"), and cross-promoting with Raw. The old ECW wouldn't really have the stripper vignettes that Kelly is doing either. They have been claiming to be "anti-sports entertainment", but stuff like that, and with characters like the Zombie and Macho Libre kind of fall into that category. I really believe that if they can get away from that eventually and focus more on wrestling and being an "alternative" rather than something similar to the Smackdown and Raw brands, then ECW will get better.
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As far as my other wrestling thoughts go...
First, TNA...
I didn't see TNA Slammiversary, but I did watch the TNA impact after that show. I'm not really liking the "main event" picture in TNA. Christian was a deserving champion, but he didn't really live up to being a great champion, because he didn't really get me all that interested in TNA any more. I don't know if they plan on eventually making him a heel, but I honestly think he is a much better bad-guy than he is a good-guy. Pretty much a lot of people are kind of tired seeing Jeff Jarrett always in the championship picture, and Sting is way past his prime. But imo, they need to give guys like Monty Brown a chance. He seems like one of the more well-rounded talents that TNA has.
The X-Division match from Impact was pretty exciting as well. Even though Samoa Joe lost the belt, he is gotta be one of the best in the business because of his size, agility, and versatility. WWE looks like they are trying to create an answer for him by pushing Umaga, but we all know that he is nowhere near the level as Samoa Joe is.
Other WWE thoughts in the next post...
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As promised, here are my other WWE thoughts...
I didn't watch the Vengeance PPV either, but it really looked predictable. I had a feeling RVD wasn't gonna lose, because I didn't think he'd lose that quickly. DX did win against the Spirit Squad, which was pretty academic. And Mick Foley lost to Ric Flair in Charlotte (although I didn't think that would end in 2 straight falls). Although I didn't wanna see Sabu job to Cena, you knew it was gonna happen. But Vengeance didn't really have a lot of time to build up their PPV because of the ECW PPV. But I guess they did what they can.
I have a mixed reaction with the return of DX. At first when they first re-united (when Shawn Michaels came back to help HHH), I kinda expected more. The next couple of weeks have been a little bit more entertaining though. I kinda thought that the slime on the Spirit Squad was a little bit weak, but the jokes they've been telling and some of the impersonations and skits they've been doing were laugh out loud hilarious (I was always laughing at the jokes that they've been telling about Stephanie getting knocked up). I particularly thought that the McMahon impersonations were pretty funny (especially HHH's rendition of Vince), and the poop falling out of the ceiling caught me off guard as well. But, it should be interesting to see what the McMahons have planned for DX, because they haven't had the better of any of their encounters so far.
The main event for Saturday Night Main event is set. There's a triple-threat match for the WWE championship: RVD vs Edge vs Cena. This is probably when RVD will lose the belt. But whether he does lose the belt or not, I hope that his feud with Edge and/or Cena won't end and will climax in Summerslam, hopefully with a TLC WWE Championship match. IMO, that would make some interesting watching.
Lastly, I'd like to say that JBL as Smackdown's color guy is a godsend. He has been really impressive in the commentator booth. He has been much better than Tazz, and really does a good job putting a lot of wrestlers over with his style of commentary. In his short time, I'd probably say he's probably one of the best color guys in the business. He sure is better on the mic than he is in wrestling, so that is exactly where he belongs.
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i was looking through wikipedia, and i discovered that in reality, jeff jarret can do whatever he damn well pleases in tna, cause he's a minority owner and vice president. It doesn't make him completely powerful, but he really has some power in TNA. either way, i don't know that the fans are getting sick of the jarret title situation, i mean, TNA did take a break from it while they fueded sting and jarret. jarret is only 39 years old, so i'd expect that he'll be in tna for at least another 2 or 3 years, maybe a full 5 before he retires. Whats great about jarret is that everybody hates him. They watch to see him, in hopes that he loses. He brings attention.
anyway, perhaps tna can lure brock lesnar in in a year or so, and he can become the star of tna, cause i honestly don't see anybody on the tna who they honeslty are going to try to continually pass the championship to.
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I doubt TNA will ever get Brock Lesnar. Last I heard Brock was in MMA (or some kind of fighting group..), and doesn't want to wrestle anymore. Plus his asking price is way too high for TNA I believe.
My thoughts on ECW week 3:
It was alot of the same, once again. Sabu winning quick, Kelly stripped, Sandman destroyed a lame gimmick, Big Show dominated Tommy Dreamer, etc.
If Vince wants ECW to succeed, he needs to have the writers do different things instead of the same things each week.
In WWE news, the Kane vs Kane feud might be over. The unmasking on Raw this week hints at the end. I certainly hope so, it was pretty bad.
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actually, lesnar is wrestling in New Japan Pro Wrestling and currently holds the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship. He's certianly not out of wrestling, especially considering that he cannot make it in the NFL. You might be right about his asking price being too high for TNA though.
Anyway, i didn't even watch this week's TNA, i guess the first two weeks weren't that interesting. The RVD/Angle match wasn't too bad from what i've read.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | My thoughts on ECW week 3:
It was alot of the same, once again. Sabu winning quick, Kelly stripped, Sandman destroyed a lame gimmick, Big Show dominated Tommy Dreamer, etc.
If Vince wants ECW to succeed, he needs to have the writers do different things instead of the same things each week. |
The Sabu match was a little more competitive than it was last week, but yeah, we all knew that he was gonna win. The Kurt Angle-RVD match was really good though, imo.
As far as everything else you said, I totally agree. Everything else was the same exact thing that happened in week 2. They try to market ECW as the passionate, intense, and innoviative "alternative" brand of wrestling. You can't be innovative if you just feature the same things over and over again. I'm sure this problem will be fixed though, if Vince doesn't wanna lose his ratings.
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I have something to say about professional wrestling. I have watched a lot of wrestling and I have stopped watching after I knew the true story behind wrestling. But my grandfather who is 82 years old watches wrestling a lot. Similarly, my cousins grandmother also likes to watch it. Why is it that old people love such violence?
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Sabu and Rob Van Dam were caught with drugs recently. I really hope WWE fines them, and suspends them for a while at least. I heard they can compete at the ECW taping this week, which is lame. They shouldn't get away with this. If I remember right, RVD has got caught with drugs in the past (during his time with ECW I believe). Known drug users shouldn't be ignored by WWE.
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I caught a little on TNA on Saturday night. I won't say it's bad, but right now it's just WWE with a different name. Same people, charactors, and stories. It's not bad and I seem to get really into it about halfway through the show, but once I realize it's fake again I go back to feeling weird about it. I guess I'll never be as into it as I was pre Kane without mask days. That's when it was good.
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| Logan wrote: | | I caught a little on TNA on Saturday night. I won't say it's bad, but right now it's just WWE with a different name. Same people, charactors, and stories. It's not bad and I seem to get really into it about halfway through the show, but once I realize it's fake again I go back to feeling weird about it. I guess I'll never be as into it as I was pre Kane without mask days. That's when it was good. |
TNA on saturday night? oh, impact replays. i don't think its anything like the wwe at all, its completely different, two more sides to the ring, more action, or something. its not nearly as complicated and all that to watch. Anyway, i know its fake, i just watch it and keep up to date with it as a show, i mean, its kinda like a soap opera, or something. its entertainment, its acting with writers.
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