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I was 4 for 7 on my picks for Unforgiven.
I didn't see the show, but overall it didn't seem that great. From what I read, the fans seemed bored alot during matches (with the exception of TLC and hell in a cell only..I believe).
Hell in a cell got a slightly new look at the PPV, but overall the Unforgiven match didn't seem as good as past versions of the match.
In my opinion, I think WWE needs to use the elimination chamber more than hell in a cell now. Elimination chamber cost a lot, and hardly has been used. I would love to see a tag elimination chamber if the tag divisions improve more (Smackdown is getting there, but Raw is far from being good). 4 teams in it would be perfect: 1 man from each team starts, then another joins in, until all are in. 3 teams would work good too.
One match is announced for Raw tonight: Kane vs Umaga rematch.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | In my opinion, I think WWE needs to use the elimination chamber more than hell in a cell now. Elimination chamber cost a lot, and hardly has been used. I would love to see a tag elimination chamber if the tag divisions improve more (Smackdown is getting there, but Raw is far from being good). 4 teams in it would be perfect: 1 man from each team starts, then another joins in, until all are in. 3 teams would work good too. |
That would be a pretty innovative match, but as you said, the tag team divisions are no where near from good. If the best tag-team in the flagship show, is a team of 5 guys, instead of the traditional two, then there's something wrong.
With the exception of the Kane and Umaga match (which ended in a draw), I pretty much predicted all the matches in the PPV. From what I read, Cena did better in the TLC match since he actually took some decent bumps, but his performance still probably didn't win most fans over, just because Edge still clearly carried the match (from what I heard). Hopefully, he wouldn't have too long of a reign though.
As far as Hell in a Cell goes, the fact that Big Show can carry a match is not believable, and I am not going to believe it despite how much the WWE website is gonna try to push it. The way I see it, the Big Show will never be an good wrestler, and the only reason why he's a main eventer because of his freakish look. I still do think that Hell in a Cell is being used correctly, now being a little bit bigger. You don't want to use the elimination chamber too much because it may lose it's mystique. It's probably not used too much, because not only does it cost too much to make, but probably too much to assemble also, to be used more frequently.
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ECW tonight seemed very dull from what I read, and yet ANOTHER non-ecw wrestler in the main event. King Booker beat RVD in a hardcore match.
Why not RVD vs Holly? Bringing in a Smackdown star doesn't help things much (except for the ratings possibly..). I think the Bashams (Heyman's security), need to actually wrestle instead of doing very little each week.
A big announcement is going to be at TNA's No Surrender this Sunday. My guess is it's either a major wrestler signing with them, or Impact being 2 hours. I'm hoping for a major wrestler, since a 2 hour Impact is pretty obvious. If it's a big star, hopefully not someone like Goldberg.
No Surrender is shaping up to be pretty good.
The card so far:
*NWA champ Jeff Jarrett vs Samoa Joe (non-title lumberjack match)
*Christian Cage vs Rhino
*Tag champs LAX vs AJ Styles+Christopher Daniels (first ever Ultimate X tag team match)
*X champ Senshi vs Petey Williams
*8-team Triple Chance battle royal (starts as a battle royal, then when it comes down to 2 people, their partners join them for a regular tag team match).
With the exception of Cage/Rhino, the card is decent. I expect at least 1 or 2 more matches to be added.
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No Surrender is tonight, it has some decent matches, but overall looks slopped together.
Here is the preview:
*Jeff Jarrett vs Samoa Joe (Fan's Revenge lumberjack match, non-title)
*Tag champs LAX vs AJ Styles+Christopher Daniels (Ultimate X)
*Christian Cage vs Rhino
*X champ Senshi vs Chris Sabin
*8-team triple chance battle royal
*Raven vs Abyss vs Brother Runt (no DQ)
*Petey Williams vs Jay Lethal
*Eric Young vs A1
The only decent matches seem to be the Ultimate X tag, tag battle royal and X title match. Plus on the PPV a big announcement is planned.
In other TNA news, Vince Russo is back with them. At this point, he doesn't have an on-air role... but that could change. He will be part of the creative team.
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| Quote: | | well i haven't been following the wwe or the ecw, but the tna looks interestesting to me. they've annouced the moving of their show earlier into the night, and kurt angle is coming over. Things look good for the TNA. |
Both are good, but TNA still can't just last with 1 hour a week. It's been rumored the show will be 2 hours permanently in months. But recently, it's been announced there will just be 2 hour special shows every so often.
Angle probably won't wrestle in TNA for a bit, I believe he is WWE no compete clause is in effect for a few more months (at least).
It looks like the Insane Clown Posse will work for TNA at the Bound for Glory PPV in Detroit. As of now, they could face Team 3-D. Since Detroit is home to ICP, TNA thinks it will improve the attendance. I personally think it's a horrible idea, ICP are bad wrestlers and shouldn't be taking up PPV time with garbage.
In some WWE news, Boogey Man has been released (good riddance to horrible wrestlers).
Danny Basham (one of Heyman's masked security on ECW), has been injured and replaced by Derrik Neikirk in the team. Danny is expected to be out until April.
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This may be off topic but I have few questions for the wrestling crazies.
Is this a real sport? I have been watching it for quite some time now, not as an competitive sport but as a recreational program - Exactly like we go to watch movies in the theatre.
Everything looks pre-planned. I even feel that the winner is decided well in advanced and they are sent on board just to show their bodies, to entertain the audience, and to do some movie type stunts. People might say I don't know the game but I feel I know it quite well; I know the rules, still it looks like a drama to me.
They have involved some exhibitionist in the show to keep people glued to the show. Remember that girlfriend of Edge.
So, could some one explain it to me like what is it all about. And the same question - Is it really a game of competition? |
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| Quote: | Is this a real sport? I have been watching it for quite some time now, not as an competitive sport but as a recreational program - Exactly like we go to watch movies in the theatre.
Everything looks pre-planned. I even feel that the winner is decided well in advanced and they are sent on board just to show their bodies, to entertain the audience, and to do some movie type stunts. People might say I don't know the game but I feel I know it quite well; I know the rules, still it looks like a drama to me.
They have involved some exhibitionist in the show to keep people glued to the show. Remember that girlfriend of Edge.
So, could some one explain it to me like what is it all about. And the same question - Is it really a game of competition? |
It's not a real sport. In the case of WWE, it's known as "sports entertainment" though. The wrestlers (for the most part) are trained athletes that need to know what they are doing.
Almost all of pro wrestling is pre-planned. But real injuries do happen regularly. With alot of moves, if done just wrong by a little... it could hurt the person. In hardcore matches, steel cage matches, and so on... injuries are usually real. Falling off a cage or a ladder isn't something you can just learn how to do the right way.
The girlfriend of Edge isn't an exhibitionist, she is just used as eye candy to get people to watch. WWE is known for that: bringing in attractive women and having them be wrestlers or managers.
It's a competition I suppose, but just think of it as weekly movies. Movies are planned out, but you don't know what's going to happen all the time. The only big exception is wrestlers do their own stunts.
Pro wrestling is basically a soap opera for men. It has storylines, attractive females, action and exciting matches.
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First off, let me just say that TNA's acquisition of Kurt Angle, is extremely HUGE!!! It's probably the biggest wrestling announcement in years. He alone can turn the company around, and possibly get TNA to start overtaking the WWE, in the long run. But first, for that to happen, they need to get a two hour show. Then eventually, competing with the WWE in one of their time slots. They also need to start touring more (in other cities other than Orlando), and not just have their talent appearing in certain indy shows. But, putting them on a prime time timeslot, is a very good start. Honestly, I didn't really have much reason to tune into TNA during the past few weeks, mostly because the timeslot is lousy, but now there is real reason to why TNA should be watched by the longtime true wrestling fans. If you ever see Kurt Angle wrestle live, he is a reason why fans come to the shows.
But, even though Angle is officially on TNA now, there is still some reasons to watch WWE/ECW. They have a lot of younger talent, that can really be developed into stars, with CM Punk probably being the most notable of those. I know it's probably quite a while, but I would like to see him challenge for the ECW title eventually. Booker T has been a pretty good champion on Smackdown thus far as well, and believe it or not, I will say though he still ain't that good, John Cena is getting a little better. Edge should still be the man on Raw though (it's a shame that I don't think that he'd win his title back on Monday).
I am really looking forward to watch TNA more now though, now that Angle is gonna be the attraction. Once he starts actually competing, he should become the NWA World Heavyweight Champion almost immediately. It was only a matter of months after his debut when Christian got his reign, and he is no where in the league of the Wrestling Machine.
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| muks320 wrote: | Is this a real sport? I have been watching it for quite some time now, not as an competitive sport but as a recreational program - Exactly like we go to watch movies in the theatre.
Everything looks pre-planned. I even feel that the winner is decided well in advanced and they are sent on board just to show their bodies, to entertain the audience, and to do some movie type stunts. People might say I don't know the game but I feel I know it quite well; I know the rules, still it looks like a drama to me.
They have involved some exhibitionist in the show to keep people glued to the show. Remember that girlfriend of Edge.
So, could some one explain it to me like what is it all about. And the same question - Is it really a game of competition? |
As far as competitive nature, wrestling is NOT a real sport, since aspects of the matches are worked and pre-planned. As far as the use of athletic ability, then yes, people would consider it as a sport. You train for it (and in cases, a lot harder) like any other sport.
I would say it's more a show than anything else (rather than a sport or a game). Professional wrestlers do have athletic ability, but they mostly use it to entertain the fans. But, in order for professional wrestlers to be successful in this industry, they also have to be sharp in a PR stand point, moreso than any other sport. Successful sports entertainers use their promotion skills and marketability to sell out arenas and most importantly, their own merchandise. I guess that's also a similarity that pro wrestling has with any other sport.
But, the most noticable difference between pro-wrestling and other pro sports leagues, is that the industry is story-line driven, and a lot of people come to the shows due to the soap opera that wrestling is. While real competitive sports is driven on its' athletes talent and marketability.
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That explains it. Now I will enjoy it more than before  . Between, how do they decide upon the champion; I mean like who will hold it and for how long. |
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Kid Kash and Justin Credible are both gone from WWE now. Kid Kash is a big loss to Smackdown's tag division, the Pit Bulls were entertaining. Kash's attitude got in the way once again (which is why TNA released him in the past). Kash has talked bad about TNA from what I've read, so he doesn't have a good chance to return to TNA anytime soon. As for Credible, he no showed several events, which lead to his release.
Kurt Angle is now the enforcer for the Jeff Jarrett/Sting match at Bound for Glory. Most of the card for the PPV has been announced:
*NWA world champ Jeff Jarrett vs Sting (title vs career)
*Tag champs LAX vs Styles+Daniels (6 sides of steel: steel cage)
*X champ Senshi vs Chris Sabin
*Christian Cage vs Rhino (street fight)
*Abyss vs Samoa Joe vs Raven vs Brother Runt (Monster's Ball)
Also Team 3-D is expected in action, as well as the return of Austin Starr (formerly known as Austin Aries).
Originally Team 3-D was going to face ICP, but that plan seems to have changed now. I'm guessing America's Most Wanted or James Gang as their opponents now.
The PPV looks good, other than Cage/Rhino. Hopefully that feud ends soon, and Cage feuds with someone decent next.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | Kid Kash and Justin Credible are both gone from WWE now. Kid Kash is a big loss to Smackdown's tag division, the Pit Bulls were entertaining. Kash's attitude got in the way once again (which is why TNA released him in the past). Kash has talked bad about TNA from what I've read, so he doesn't have a good chance to return to TNA anytime soon. As for Credible, he no showed several events, which lead to his release. |
I agree, Kid Kash actually was pretty talented and formed a pretty decent tag team with Jaime Noble. As far as Justin Credible, I would kind of see why he would no-show in events. He was a former ECW champion, yet he has never won? They made him a jobber in the new ECW, and imo, that ain't right.
| Quote: | Kurt Angle is now the enforcer for the Jeff Jarrett/Sting match at Bound for Glory. Most of the card for the PPV has been announced:
*NWA world champ Jeff Jarrett vs Sting (title vs career)
*Tag champs LAX vs Styles+Daniels (6 sides of steel: steel cage)
*X champ Senshi vs Chris Sabin
*Christian Cage vs Rhino (street fight)
*Abyss vs Samoa Joe vs Raven vs Brother Runt (Monster's Ball)
Also Team 3-D is expected in action, as well as the return of Austin Starr (formerly known as Austin Aries).
Originally Team 3-D was going to face ICP, but that plan seems to have changed now. I'm guessing America's Most Wanted or James Gang as their opponents now.
The PPV looks good, other than Cage/Rhino. Hopefully that feud ends soon, and Cage feuds with someone decent next. |
This does look like a decent PPV. Now that TNA has Kurt Angle, I'm sure the general interest in TNA is going to skyrocket. I really think that their acquisition of Kurt Angle is about as big as WCW acquisition of Hulk Hogan back in the day. I am worried though that Kurt might be coming back in the ring too quickly, for he may have not fully taken care of his problems yet. I'm hoping I'm wrong there though.
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Boogey Man has been rumored to have signed with TNA, but I don't think it's been confirmed as of yet.
David Heath (formerly Gangrel, Vampire Warrior) is now part of the Deep South roster. Weight problems are keeping him off the main WWE roster. A rumored feud or team with Kevin Thorn has been brought up in the past, as a possible storyline for him when he does return to the regular roster.
I'm a bit upset Jeff Hardy won the I.C title on Raw. He hasn't been back with WWE long, he shouldn't have been given the title so soon. I'm hoping for a short title reign. Put the title on Orton, Carlito or Nitro... any of those three deserve the title more. Also on Raw last night, there was way too much DX crap. Isn't it time to kill that already? But from the sounds of it, Bischoff might revive NWO to feud with them.
Announced for the Raw "Family Reunion" this Monday: Kane vs Umaga in a loser leaves Raw match. It's rumored Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan are among the surprise guests at the show.
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