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[Skittles]

I think TNA is making a drastic mistake by declaring war on WWE so early in their existance. I'm interested to see how DX responds on monday night though.

And what is up with kips hair, he looks like a drag queen.
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[Rob1981]

Rowdy Piper is out of Survivor Series, due to injury. He was hospitalized recently due to disc problems and/or kidney stones (sources have said both, but nothing is completely confirmed yet).

A new legend will take his place in the match. I'm hoping it's anyone but Jim Duggan, Koko B. Ware, Kamala and so on. But I somehow think it will be one of them, since most other notable legends aren't with WWE, don't want to be in WWE or are retired. Maybe WWE can get Jake Roberts for the match. He is one of the few on good terms with them.
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[Rob1981]

Genesis was last night, and I must say I simply hated the finish to the World title match.

Abyss won the match by DQ, after Sting threw him into some tables. So due to a NWA rule (which hasn't been mentioned or even used for quite a while), the title changed hands.


What exactly were they thinking? What a lame finish to an otherwise decent match. Abyss' first world title reign is now tainted, due to the stupid DQ title change rule. Either way, I doubt he will hold the title long.

In other Genesis results: Kurt Angle defeated Samoa Joe by submission, ending Joe's undefeated streak. Good match, but I wouldn't have done the submission finish between these two just yet. Latin American Exchange retained their tag titles over America's Most Wanted, just to have them be stripped of the titles after the match by Jim Cornette. Petey Williams turned face, by saving Gail Kim from an attack after the match as well.

The new stable called "The Movement" is officially a new Raven's Flock. After losing to Voodoo Kin Mafia, Johnny Devine got hit with a kendo stick by Raven.

In WWE news, the John Cena/Kevin Federline feud has been dropped. I'm glad they decided to drop it. K-Fed is useless and shouldn't be wasting time on Raw or PPV events. Jeff Hardy vs Johnny Nitro in a ladder match is tonight on Raw, I wonder how many times Hardy will mess up?
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[Obecorp]

Genesis was actually pretty decent, with the exception of the finish of the Sting-Abyss match. I don't know who decided to make that happen. Nobody EVER wants to see a match end like that, much less, have the titles change hands. If the NWA title is as prestigious as they claim it to be, a championship match should never have that kind of finish. I honestly expected more from the Angle-Joe match. There have been more Kurt Angle matches that I can think of that were better. But, it doesn't look like they are gonna end this feud yet, which can probably be good.

I'm actually watching Raw as I'm typing this post. It looks like a decently big show between the PPV. The main event is an all-captains 8-man tag-team match. Plus, all-throughout the night, they're having matches that involve the members of all 4 teams of Survivor Series. Umaga already beaten Sabu in the first match. Plus, they have the ladder match.

Looks like Farooq/Ron Simmons, may be Piper's replacement in the Legends match versus the Spirit Squad, at least they are leading us to believe that.

I'm thinking there will be a match involving Carlito and Jerry Lawler, and Chris Masters and someone else.

It looks like the K-Fed match is still on, according to this promo in Raw. What a waste.

But personally, I doubt it would happen, but I would like to see Monty Brown debut in Survivor Series. I'm not sure if it's too soon. But they should have another big star debut in Survivor Series. Anybody who's gonna be a star in the company debuts in Survivor Series.

We'll see what happens.
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[Skittles]

I think the ladder match was great. I don't care, you can hate Jeff Hardy all you want but he is my favorite, has been my favorite since 1999 and will probably always be my favorite

Johnny Nitro did a really good job in the match also. Jeff Hardy's swanton bomb onto the ladder kinda made me squirm haha.
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[Rob1981]

Ron Simmons = a horrible replacement. In my opinion he isn't a legend. For the most part in his career he wasn't that great. They should've brought in Jimmy Snuka, Jake Roberts or at least someone like Greg Valentine or Ricky Steamboat. Someone on the same level (or above) compared to Piper would've been the right choice.

In a new rumor, JBL is itching to get back in the ring. He might return in January 2007. I hope this is true, he should be wrestling again. He is great as a commentator, but belongs wrestling and cutting great wrestling promos each week. I'm not sure who would replace JBL for broadcasting, if he is going to wrestle again.

Lita announced on Raw, that she will "retire" after Survivor Series. This is probably not true, and she is doing it just to be like Trish Stratus (who retired as Women's champ). Rumors have been going around Lita might leave WWE in the near future, but I don't think it's this soon.

[Obecorp]

[Rob1981]

If anyone debuts at Survivor Series, it will be Monty Brown.


Smackdown is tonight: Kane vs MVP in a steel cage is the only match I know of, since I didn't read the spoilers. I hope it's just one on one, with no run ins (which seem to happen, even if there is a cage).

Tyson Tomko is in TNA now, as an "enforcer", friend, bodyguard or whatever of Christian Cage. TNA needs to come up with better ideas, since that's an exact copy of how he debuted in WWE. He is simply known as Tomko now.

In other TNA news: the first 2 matches of Turning Point are announced, Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe in a rematch from Genesis. I would imagine Angle wins again, but not by submission this time. Plus... World champ Abyss vs Sting vs Christian Cage in a triple threat match. Should be okay, but I think Sting will regain.
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[Rob1981]

Survivor Series is tonight, here are my predictations and thoughts. Winners are in bold.

-World champ King Booker vs Batista: I think Batista needs to win here, and not at Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania. This feud doesn't need to continue that long. Average match, nothing too special.

-Undertaker vs Ken Kennedy (1st blood): I think Undertaker should do the job here, but probably wont...since it's Survivor Series. The only chance Ken has winning, is if WWE decides to give Undertaker time off... then build for Ken/Undertaker at WM. A possible idea for events, but I don't think it will happen.

-U.S champ Chris Benoit vs Chavo Guerrero: Best singles match of the night (and probably one of the better matches for the whole PPV).

-Team DX vs Team Rated RKO: Seeing that DX usually win, and hardly lose.. I'm betting they will win again here. Should be a good match, and hopefully not too much lame comedy by DX.

-John Cena, Kane, Rob Van Dam, Sabu+Bobby Lashley vs Big Show, Test, MVP, Finlay+Umaga: I'm thinking either Cena is the sole survivor, or Lashley+Cena.

-Team Legends vs Team Spirit Squad: Hard to decide on this one. It will either be Kenny as sole survivor or Legends dominating SS and not losing one member. Either way... it shouldn't be that great.

-Women's champ Lita vs Mickie James: Average women's title match, nothing too exciting here. It might be Lita's last match, but I'm not counting on it too much.


Overall: Survivor Series should be decent, with the exception of Women's title and Legends/Spirit Squad.

In other WWE news, it looks like Hardys will team up at December to Dismember... to help out the poor card. Elimination chamber is the only announced match and has most of ECW's top stars in it. It will be a little interesting to see who they will face.

Yet another sign WWE is desperate to keep ECW alive: Hardys teaming once again for that brand. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they reunite and appear full time for ECW, just to help ratings out.
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[Rob1981]

I was pretty close on my picks.

Full results:

1- Team Legends beat Spirit Squad (Flair was the sole survivor)

Blah match: Simmons was only in the match a little bit and counted out?! That's pretty lame. If Piper would've been healthy... I'm sure things would've been different. I think it's a sad day in WWE, when an old man can't even do the job. The after match of Spirit Squad attacking Flair, and no one came to help him... didn't make much sense.

2- Chris Benoit beat Chavo Guerrero (good match, but too short)

3- Mickie James beat Lita to win Women's title. Post match saw Cryme Tyme selling Lita's things. Pretty dumb.

4- Team DX beat Team Rated RKO (all of Team DX won). This crap really needs to end. Why should all of DX's opponents job to them? I believe DX (since reuniting) have lost only once or twice on television. 2 adults acting like kids isn't something that is very entertaining anymore. Even if he doesn't want to admit it, Triple H has backstage powers. I somehow think if Triple H wasn't married to Stephanie... DX wouldn't be back, and they wouldn't be this unbeatable team. It looks pretty stupid, when everyone must job to them. What will happen at Wrestlemania next year? DX vs Edge+Orton... DX winning of course? That seems a little too predictable, but what else can WWE do at this point? I somehow think that will probably be the match, unless fans really turn on this DX garbage... or one of them gets hurt or whatever. I suppose singles matches between them could be an idea as well, but Edge and Orton will lose I bet.

5- Ken Kennedy beat Undertaker in a 1st blood match (after MVP was pulling at a chair with the referee..and hit Undertaker). Exactly why couldn't Undertaker job clean here? He probably wont be around much longer, so he should do some clean jobs at bigger events.

6- Team Cena beat Team Big Show (Cena+Lashley won). Umaga getting DQ to start the match was a bad start. Other than that, an average match I suppose.

7- Batista beat King Booker to win the World title (the stipulations were Booker could lose the title by DQ or count out: somehow I think WWE did this... just to parody TNA's DQ title win last week)
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[Obecorp]

I didn't watch Surivivor Series, but I heard, it was a fairly decent show from those who have seen it. But, I'll still try to offer up some opinions regarding it.

I honestly don't think Batista should have won the title. It seems his popularity is dwindling among many fans, but the WWE continues to push him. Also, I really think Booker T can have more high profile feuds as champion with various superstars (another Chris Benoit feud won't hurt, and actually giving Matt Hardy a chance to main event probably may be good also) than Batista could. The only feud that I can think of Batista having may perhaps be against Chavo Guerrero.

As far as Team DX vs Team Rated RKO, I had a feeling Team DX would win, but I at least thought at least one person from their team would have been eliminated (perhaps Jeff). But it looks like everyone survived. But looking at the team, team DX should have dominated, considering they had the Hardyz, and CM Punk.

I too am a little tired of seeing the DX angle on TV. Honestly, the only way I see it ending is if they do some angle where DX does some in-fighting and they break up on their own, and Triple H possibly turns heel again. But, from what I heard, the reason why DX is still around is because Stephanie is pushing for it. I hope they realize that some fans are getting tired of it. As washed up as the New Age Outlaws/Voodoo Kin Mafia are, they are right in saying that wrestling fans shouldn't have to suffer through the DX skits.

But along with DX, Spirit Squad should break up, and I see them breaking up really soon. Kenny is one of the best young guys they have in the roster, and hopefully, they can eventually push him to the midcard-upper midcard. The thing is, if the Spirit Squad breaks up that will leave everyone else in limbo.

From what I've heard, they may be setting up a Cena/Umaga feud heading into New Years Revolution. This would be somewhat of a poetic feud, filled with two WWE superstars who doesn't know how to wrestle but continues to get pushed anyway.

I also can't wait to see Monty Brown make his debut. I guess it didn't happen in Survivor Series, but I hope it happens before the year is up. It should really be interesting to see how the WWE will utilize him. Personally, I would like to see him as a heel in Raw, and make fun of Cena and DX. I also wouldn't mind seeing him in Smackdown either as either a face or heel, since they are a little short in talent.
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It's official now: Hardy Boys will face a team at December to Dismember. Probably not an ECW team from the looks of it (considering there is only one full time ECW team: FBI, which already jobbed to them).

Announced for Raw: a #1 contenders battle royal for the Women's title, Tag champs Rated RKO vs Hardy Boys (with the titles on the line).

I certainly hope the Hardys don't win the titles, and go into the ECW PPV as tag champs. What's next... the tag titles will be for Raw+ECW ? I wouldn't be surprised at all, if that happens... due to ECW's lack of teams, so it would be a title defended on Raw mainly, but ECW sometimes.

[Rob1981]

ECW's PPV is this Sunday, and I must say it's poorly done. They hype up the elimination chamber... and until just yesterday: it was the only match. Hardys vs MNM is the only other match announced. The PPV is 3 hours, how are they going to pull it off? As of now:

-Hardys vs MNM- 20 to 30 minutes tops.
-Elimination Chamber- 45-60 minutes


So that's half the PPV probably. The rest of the card will just be thrown together at the last minute (since it's late Tuesday night right now, and the last ECW show before the event already aired). I guess they could always promote it on Smackdown on Friday. With people like Holly, Kevin Thorn, Dreamer, Striker and a few others... the undercard will be poor I bet. At least it doesn't seem like any inter-brand matches will happen (besides Hardys/MNM).


Speaking of ECW, Hardys were in action again. They defeated Sylvester Terkay+Elijah Burke (Sylvester's first pinfall loss in WWE I believe). What a joke that is. I would've thought he would lose for the first time in singles, not in a tag match...against the Hardys... blah.

In some Raw news: Candice Michelle was injured due to a kick by Victoria (no surprise there... Victoria has injured people in the past as well, due to working too tough). Spirit Squad's treatment on Raw was pretty lame, and basically makes them feel like jobbers even more. A Kenny singles push at this point, wont work in my opinion.

In Wrestlemania news, spoilers ahead... read only if you want to.
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The planned matches as of now are Mankind vs Vince McMahon: eh, not that exciting. Batista vs Undertaker: title vs WM streak (with a plan of Batista winning!). I don't agree on that, Undertaker should retire with a perfect WM winning streak.. not be bumped off by someone like Batista. I guess it's a passing of the torch type of thing.
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[Rob1981]

ECW's PPV was tonight... I didn't see it, but from the looks of it... it was horrible.

First off: the PPV ended over a half an hour early. People paid for 3 hours, and get less... that's certainly not a good thing.

Secondly: Sabu was "hurt" and out of the main event. Hardcore Holly replaced him. I knew Sabu was having problems, but I didn't know it was that bad (pretty sure the injury was fake).

The undercard was poor as I expected. Balls Mahoney beat Matt Striker, Burke+Terkay beat FBI, Daivari beat Dreamer, Kevin Thorn+Ariel beat Mike Knox+Kelly (Knox wasn't in the match even once).


Hardys against MNM was the opening match: which was a good start, but then it went downhill from there. The elimination chamber seemed okay, but there has been much better chamber matches in the past. The hardcore aspect of it, didn't help the match much.

I hope this is a sign to WWE to end this horrible brand already. Ending a PPV that early should never happen. The PPV had a dark match of Rene Dupree/Stevie Richards... which should've just been on the PPV itself, then the PPV would've been a little longer.

In other WWE news, 3 matches are already made for Smackdown's Armageddon PPV. Batista+John Cena vs Batista+Finlay, Undertaker vs Ken Kennedy (Last Ride match), Kane vs MVP (Inferno match). The last ride match is the same concept as an ambulance match, it uses a hearse instead. The winner is the person that puts his opponent inside of it.

No matches have been announced for Raw's New Years Revolution PPV yet, but likely matches are John Cena vs Umaga, and DX vs Rated RKO.
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