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Obecorp · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:54 am Post subject:

Some things that I've read that I have found to be interesting...

Jericho may be back in the ring soon. From what I've heard, he's itching for a return, but he doesn't want to assume a full road schedule. It's also being said, that his preference would be the WWE but he would like a road schedule that is similar to Mick Foley's, but he'd go to TNA if the money was right. It should be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Whatever the result, it would be great to see Chris Jericho back. He is one of those performers that I really miss seeing entertain us.

Chavo Guerrero's contract with the WWE is ending soon, and there are some speculations that he may go to TNA. With his uncle Hector having a position in the front office, that may be a good possiblity. I'm not exactly sure what his standing is with the WWE, but even though they made him Cruiserweight champ to try to convince him to stay, it's not like they've been giving him all that much exposure during the past few weeks. Again, this just shows how much the WWE disrespects the cruserweight division.

But my thoughts on Wrestlemania so far... in my honest opinion, the card so far doesn't look like it's worth paying 49.95 for. It has one match that probably are gonna be great (the Money in the Bank match), but the rest of the matches will probably be less than stellar. The Battle of the Billionaires match could be alright, especially with Stone Cold in the mix. But for that match to live to it's potential, we are gonna have to see a lot from Bobby Lashley, and he has to win over a lot of his "haters". Michaels-Cena could be good too, because Shawn Michaels usually delivers in the big stage, but the possibility of him jobbing to Cena in such a big stage would somewhat taint the match for me. The ECW match probably has potential to steal the show, given the talent in that match. I believe it will only be good though if they make it a hardcore match (not sure if they announced that yet). With all of these matches, I still think they need at least one more match that could possibly get fans excited, because the rest of the card looks mediocre.

Smackdown is gonna be tonight, but I'm not gonna watch it because I have something to do tonight. I read the spoilers, and from what I read, the show didn't really have anything to get excited about, which is odd because Wrestlemania is pretty close.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject:

One match that will be good, and you think it's Money in the Bank?

It will be good, but just due to the fact of all the high spots and bumps. It's a little sad that good matches in the present day, are usually determined by high spots/bumps (alot of the time at least).

The main events should be good, I think Cena/Michaels will be a bit better than Undertaker/Batista.

The rest of the card (with the exception of Melina/Ashley, Kane/Khali) is somewhat decent... but not Wrestlemania quality.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject:

Well, it's true that the spots will help make MIB good, but I don't think it's the main reason. I believe it may be the match of the night because it has some pretty good star quality in that match with stars who are all capable of delivering. With the exception of Finlay, all of the people are potential main eventers. But believe it or not, even though I don't really agree having Finlay in there, he is one of those with solid technical/brawling ability that can add to the match. I don't think this match is gonna have as many spots as you think, but would be more of a showcase of all the different kinds of styles in the match. The spots though are what will make the matches memorable, and the more likely people will remember a match, the more likely it will be considered "good". At least that's what I've noticed when I've read past reviews.

I think Cena/Michaels would be a decent match also, and probably would be better than Taker/Batista. Taker would probably be carrying Batista during most of the match. Believe it or not, I think Lashley/Umaga will be a lot better than a lot of people project it to be. A lot of people don't like Lashley because he's Vince McMahon's "stereotypical musclehead wrestler", but he's actually has some wrestling skill and is more capable of having a good match than the other 2 main champions. I still wouldn't trust him with the mic though.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject:

At least this Wrestlemania wont be as bad as... Wrestlemania 9 for example:

Just some of the lowlights: Undertaker/Giant Gonzalez. Horrible battle of the big men. I expect Kane/Khali to be worse than WM 9's match in comparision.

Then there is the whole Bret Hart/Yokozuna match which was dull, followed by Hogan's challenge and quick squash of Yokozuna (worst Wrestlemania ending ever).
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject:

WWE Wrestlemania is less than 24 hours away, so I might as well make my picks. I will make my pics in two posts, making the picks for the undercard-midcard in this first post, and I will make my picks for the headlining matches in the next post. Winners in bold.

Chris Benoit (c) vs MVP - US Championship
This should be a good match to start the card off with, since Benoit is a former world champion and a relatively big name. They are pushing MVP as a future star, but I believe Benoit should win this because I believe it would be pretty messed up to kill his credebility to a guy who's only been defeating "world-class" "national champion" jobbers during the past few weeks in Smackdown.

Kane vs Great Khali - Grudge Match
This match isn't gonna be that great. I don't really like matches with two relatively slow big men. Regardless, Khali will probably win, because Kane's career may be winding down in the next few years, while Khali's is just starting. Even though Khali stinks and less deserving than Kane, he'll probably win.

Melina (c) vs Ashley - Women's Championship
Ashley has significantly improved skillwise since she first won the diva contest, but Melina is still the better wrestler. Regardless, I'm thinking Ashley is probably a better overall representative for the women's division, and she looks like she's works hard. Therefore, she may win the title in Wrestlemania.

The ECW Originals (RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, and Sabu) vs
The New Breed (Elijah Burke, Matt Striker, Alpha Male, Kevin Thorn) - 8 man tag
I don't think it has been announced that this match is gonna be a hardcore match, though it should be. IMO, it will be retarded if it's not. Whether or not it is though, I believe they are gonna put the New Breed over in this match. If this match is a hardcore match, it can probably surpass some people's expectations and be better than expected.

It was once rumored that they may throw in London and Kendrick in a match, possibly including stars such as Flair, Carlito, etc. Don't think that match will happen though. But, it would be a shame if they don't have a pure tag match in Wrestlemania.

I'm making my other picks in my next post.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

Wrestlemania predictions (part 2)...

Edge vs CM Punk vs Matt Hardy vs Jeff Hardy vs Ken Kennedy vs King Booker vs Finlay vs Randy Orton - Money in the Bank Ladder Match
I'm going with a sleeper pick in this one. Most people are picking Kennedy, Randy Orton, or even Edge again, to win the match, but the way I see it, the one who usually wins Money in the Bank would be the one who is deserving, yet has trouble breaking through the glass ceiling, thus leading me to pick Matt Hardy. His microphone skills still aren't the best, but I figured if the higher ups feel Matt's not ready to be a "main event performer" by the time he gets his title shot, they can always have him lose. Besides, I think this is one of those matches where the WWE is gonna try to throw a curveball and have the "improbable" yet deserving winner.

Lashley/Trump vs Umaga/McMahon - Battle of the Billionaires, Hair vs Hair
Probably the easiest match to predict in the card. Although there would be A LOT more publicity if Trump loses, there would have been NO WAY Trump would have agreed to this match if he was gonna lose. Not to mention, the WWE is pushing Lashley anyway as one their most valuable top stars, so there is absolutely no way he can lose. I want Lashley to do well in this match, from a lot of fan reaction that I read/hear about, he usually gets buried because of his stereotypical physique that Vince McMahon is attracted to. I believe though he's a much better champ than Cena or Batista.

Batista (c) vs Undertaker - World Heavyweight Championship
This should be another easy match to pick. It would be kind of messed up if they tarnish the Undertaker's legacy to try to put Batista over. Although, it was (and probably still may be) a strong possiblity that they might, I don't think they will. I believe the WWE will lose a lot of fans, if Taker loses his undefeated Wrestlemania record. Therefore, he may win the "Big Gold" in WM.

John Cena (c) vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Championship
This is rumored to be the final match of the night. This honestly is a hard match to call, and could go either way. As much as I would like to see Shawn Michaels win this match and have another run with the title, I don't think the WWE's biggest current top money draw is gonna lose this match. Although Cena is in the match (who, imo, has one of the worst in-ring skills in the history of the business), it can be a good match, since HBK tends to usually perform well in the spotlight.

Those are the Wrestlemania picks. I'm not gonna purchase the PPV. Honestly, I don't think it will be worth the $50. I'd rather wait til I see the matches for free in various sites. Should be interesting to see how I've done in my Wrestlemania picks though. I'm thinking I'll be right in a lot of my picks.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject:

My Wrestlemania picks are the following:

ECW Originals over New Breed. An alright match, but nothing too special I bet.

Ashley over Melina: yet another useless women's title match at WM.

Benoit over MVP: It should be MVP winning the title, so Benoit can just go back to the main event. This should be somewhat decent.

Kane over Khali: Boring big man vs big man match.

Lashley over Umaga: No doubt Vince will be shaved, but being shaved bald is another matter. It might happen: but I can imagine it might not either.

Ken Kennedy winning MITB: This man has worked hard, and deserve this more than anyone in the match.

Batista over Undertaker: I would like Undertaker to have another title reign, but I doubt he will. An alright Smackdown main event.

Cena over Michaels: The better of the main events, but only by a little.

Wrestlemania not having a cruiserweight title match and tag team title matches really frustrate me. Why even have the titles if they aren't defended at the (so called..) biggest WWE event of the year?
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Rob1981 · Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:09 am Post subject:

I was 5 for 8 with my picks. The show overall didnt sound that mind blowing from what I read at least. The dark match (taped for the DVD) of Flair+Carlito/Helms+Guerrero should've made the show, in my opinion. It sounded alot better than several of the matches on the PPV itself.

Rumor: Benoit might go to Raw. What's the point of them switching him so much? I believe he was Smackdown, then Raw, then Smackdown again... now possibly Raw again. He would be best used as a main eventer on Smackdown, in my opinion.

In case you missed it: the person that MVP beat on Smackdown was D-Ray 3000 (formerly of TNA).

In TNA news, Slammiversary in June is officially in Nashville, TN (where TNA started out years ago).

In surprising news: Jerry Lawler will face Hulk Hogan on the independent circuit in Memphis later this month. I don't think this is the first time they've faced each other though. I can expect a dull match, as both are way past their primes. It will get a good attendance I would bet, as the card will be packed with legends I believe.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject:

After Raw tonight, I'm starting to think the writers have no clue on how to book things.

In the big news: the Hardys won the tag titles by winning a big tag team battle royal (which featured many random teams). Why must they get another title reign, when there is other talented teams that deserve the titles? Throwing in random teams just to have a big match is pretty stupid, I think the idea would've been just fine with regular teams.

In other matches: Flair+Carlito beat Benjamin+Haas (it seems like those 2 usually do the job lately, sadly), Khali beat Super Crazy in a squash, and Lashley beat Umaga+Estrada in a handicap match.

About half of the matches on Raw were tag matches, yet there was no tag matches on the official WM PPV card. I think that's a bit lame.

In the latest rumor: a possible Summerslam match could be Rey Mysterio against Vince McMahon. I certainly hope not... I'm tired of any McMahon taking up PPV spots that should be for wrestlers. Vince McMahon is a good heel: but keep him in the manager/non-wrestler role, period. Same goes for Shane.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject:

Injury news: Hardcore Holly will be out for a while, he needs surgery. King Booker will be out for 2 months due to knee problems.

I wonder if WWE forgot about the Vickie Guerrero storyline? She supposedly found someone and was going to reveal the person (but never did). Well a Mark Henry return promo aired, so he is a possible choice I suppose.

The complete Lockdown card is complete (with the exception of one member of Lethal Lockdown). The card looks alright, the only duds will probably be Gail Kim/Jackie Moore, VKM/Mystery team managed by Hemme. I don't think it will be Bashams just yet, as that plan might be dropped... as there has been talks of Serotonin feuding with VKM.
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Obecorp · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:31 am Post subject:

I haven't offered my thoughts in Wrestlemania, since the PPV ended. From what I've seen in YouTube, they had 4 matches that were at least decent: Benoit vs MVP, HBK vs Cena, Batista vs Undertaker, and Money in the Bank. Money in the Bank was clearly the best match in the card. I think it was a little stupid, that they started off the PPV with that. What I believed is a huge flaw in Wrestlemania, that the show had trouble keeping the momentum going after such a huge opener. I would have placed Benoit vs MVP match as the opening match (which was a great technical matchup). It was a good match, but not the best match, and it wouldn't have been as hard to follow up.

As far as the other main events go, I believed that the Batista/Undertaker match was the better main event. Although Taker carried most of that match, Batista did a little more than was expected of him. HBK vs Cena was good too, but it was clear that HBK carried pretty much the whole match, since he had all the big spots. The ending sucked too. I don't agree with having a WWE legend tapping out two years in a row in Wrestlemania to John Cena, just to get him over.

About Raw last night, 3 matches were announced for Backlash, including a Fatal 4-way for the WWE belt. The PPV is in 3 weeks, so they have to make some matches now. But, I think the ending of the HBK vs Orton match was stupid. All the "smart fans" know, for that ending to have worked, for Orton to have the pinfall, he had to have at least one body part draped over Michaels, but that clearly wasn't the case. They just explained that Michaels' shoulders were down. And much to the displeasure of Rob1981, it looks like we'll see not only one, but two McMahons in a PPV match once again.

Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:

Jeff Jarrett being the final member of the Lockdown team is alright, but I don't think he can last long as a face.

In WWE injury news: Ashley needs surgery, which is why she was attacked by Jillian on Smackdown.

In other WWE news: Jerry Lawler and other WWE talent has been pulled from the big Memphis show. Now it will be Hogan against Paul Wight (formerly Big Show). Vince McMahon is to blame for this of course, since he didn't want a high level Hogan match that wasn't WWE.

Also, a new WWE cd is out, however it's only on iTunes. I hate that, and think it's just stupid. While many people have an ipod, alot still don't have one. I don't have any plans to get one, so I wont be getting the new cd. I wanted it, as it had Deuce and Domino's theme on it, and some other good themes. Hopefully the CD actually becomes available at stores sometime down the line. Many people buy from stores still, so I see no reason WWE will only go for the iPod owners as buyers.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:10 am Post subject:

Lockdown was a few days ago. It was alright, but the blindfold and electric cage match were the 2 worst matches in my opinion. When will companies learn: blindfold matches suck?

I'm a bit ticked Team 3-D got the tag titles. But I figured TNA would do it at some point, since the tag division is lacking.

Serotonin being the opponents for VKM was a bit pathetic, but at least it was only pre-show. I read the reasoning for it, something about a blood test. But either way, VKM against random teams managed by Christy is stale and needs to end.

In WWE news: Umaga's I.C title reign is over. Bringing in a new wrestler (Boris Alexiev) as a planted fan named Santino Marella was a bit cheesy in my opinion. Lashley helped him win, to further their feud... but it just makes Umaga look stupid in my opinion. Losing to a new wrestler (for most WWE fans: as many don't watch development feds much) is rarely a good thing. I give Umaga credit for doing the job though: I doubt a someone such as Flair, Orton, Edge (and so on) would've done the job in that spot.

Also, the whole CM Punk joining the New Breed is pretty stupid. Everyone knows Punk will probably turn on them in the future. As it stands now, it looks to be building to a Punk/Burke feud.

I must say this again: TNA needs to get it's act together and improve. They could easily beat WWE right now in ratings (for ECW at least, possibly Smackdown or Raw), if they actually were a bit better.
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Obecorp · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject:

Rob1981 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject:

Deuce and Domino won the tag titles on Smackdown in Italy. I hope it's a decent title reign for them (and not a short lived reign that only lasts in Europe: which WWE has done with people at times in the past).

Also on Smackdown, they continued the romance between Teddy Long+Kristal. This is just garbage and needs to go. Who really cares about this crap? In my opinion, Teddy is probably the worst GM ever. I don't see how people can like him. He was an alright manager years back, but that's about it. Smackdown ratings continue to drop from the recent rating.

WWE needs to wake up and improve this show. The most recent show( 400th episode) had decent matches: but it didn't seem like a big deal (since it wasn't a Raw anniversary). This label of "B-show" isn't going to be dropped by the fans if special shows aren't given enough attention. A lot of the time Smackdown is better than Raw, but bad storylines such as Long/Kristal aren't helping things.

In other WWE news: Randy Orton is in trouble once again. I believe it's due to substance abuse, and hotel issues. I havent read all about it, so I don't know if any of that is even completely true.

Super Crazy was injured during a match on the tour, which adds to the growing injured list. Also injured/recovering from injury: Triple H, King Booker, Hardcore Holly and Ashley to name a few. I believe there is a few more as well.

Has anyone read the Bischoff or Foley book yet? Both look good, but I havent read them yet. I believe there is a Chris Jericho book coming out sometime soon as well (but it doesn't cover any of his WWE work, as I heard it's only through 1999 before he joined the company).
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