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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the complete Armageddon results from Sunday:

Pre-show: Jamie Noble (making his return) beat Funaki

JBL beat Matt Hardy, MNM beat Mexicools, Chris Benoit beat Booker T (Match 4 of 7 for the U.S title), Bobby Lashley beat William Regal+Paul Burchill, Kid Kash beat Juventud to win the cruiserweight title, Big Show+Kane beat Batista+Rey Mysterio, Undertaker beat Randy Orton in hell in a cell.



The show also featured 2 very dumb and wrong segments. The first was Vito+Nunzio dressed as Santa and an elf. Boogey Man came out, attacked them and fed worms to Vito. This was just sick, and not needed. The reason for it was, Nunzio+Vito have had problems backstage. So it was a punishment.

The other segment featured ex-WWE ref Tim White. He acted like hell in a cell wrecked his life. I won't say anymore, but it was just simply wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just have to say a dvd called cheating death about a guy who's dead is just ironic.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey yes i herd about what happen have they found out y yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey yes i herd about what happen have they found out y yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey yes i herd about what happen have they found out y yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armageddon thoughts...

I had a huge feeling that Batista and Rey was gonna lose to Kane and Big Show. For the past few weeks, Smackdown had Raw's number in everything, so it would just be fitting that Raw's "best" tag team was gonna win against Smackdown's "best" tag team. Honestly, I don't see Rey and Batista holding the WWE tag belts that long, and MNM is gonna win it back really soon. I think they just put it on them for the sake of the Armageddon tag-team match and make it "Champion vs. Champion".

The "Hell in a Cell" match was actually pretty good. In my opinion, it didn't really compare to a lot of the "Hell in a Cell" matches in the past, but it definitely had a lot of breathtaking moments during the match, like Randy Orton actually hitting the tombstone. I am just wondering where the Randy Orton-Undertaker feud is gonna go after this?

Also nice to see Benoit avoid the sweep to Booker T. He's actually one of my favorite performers and it would just be disprespectful to see a talent like him get swept. I think he definitely should eventually go for the World title again, but they're making it seem that he's more mid-card status.

I am also pretty glad to see Kid Kash win the Cruserweight Championship. I've always enjoyed seeing him wrestle back when he was in ECW. I even got to see him a little bit in TNA once. I just hope that WWE wouldn't be stupid, and actually give him some good airtime in Smackdown. But, I'm guessing that since he is a Cruserweight, that is not likely to happen.

As far as Lashley, please develop his character! He is doing a pretty good job right now just getting over on his wrestling ability and athleticism, but please give him some more time to get on the microphone and develop his verbal skills. He looks like he can really make it big if he figures that out. They probably need to put him with a stable or give him a manager to help develop his character. Hey, it worked for Brock Lesnar and Batista.

Lastly, I did think that Tim White skit was pretty messed up. Of course, he didn't really kill himself.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raw in Afghanistan and other WWE thoughts...

I thought the Raw in Afghanistan show was a pretty good show, although a lot of the show didn't really have to do with a lot of the current story lines. Probably because it was taped before the last live Monday Night Raw show they had here in the US. But, it really is nice to see the WWE supporting the troops and entertaining them. They just did what they had to do.

As far as the Elimination Chamber match goes, I've said this once, and I'll say it again, John Cena's time as champ deserves to come to an end pretty soon. It's time for someone else to carry it, and that someone I believe is gonna finally be Kurt Angle. Shawn Michaels isn't going to win, just because his best days are probably behind him. Kane isn't gonna win, just because he probably wouldn't make the best champ, cuz not a lot of story lines revolve around him. And Carlito nor Masters will definitely not win, just because it isn't their time yet. This is gonna be the best time for Angle to win the belt. Plus, I think they need to put the strap on him to build him up as a heel even more. It's gonna be interesting to see how they are going to build up this match in the next few weeks.

I actually like the Boogeyman. I think he's one of the most entertaining characters we have seen in a very very long time. Plus, the fact that he's ugly makes him a lot more entertaining. I wonder where the WWE actually found a guy who is actually willing to eat real worms Silly

Oh yeah, according to the Raw previews on TV, Kurt Angle is supposed to make a shocking announcement. I wonder what it's going to be. Also, Friday Night Smackdown is going to be a best of show this week. I'm probably not going to be watching it because I might have other things going on, but sometimes those year-end recap shows are actually pretty good, IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think he's one of the most entertaining characters we have seen in a very very long time.


Not really, Boogey Man is just horrible and I can tell only a few fans even find it somewhat entertaining.


As for Kid Kash, he is talented but certainly getting pushed so soon. He only appeared a little on WWE tv, and then gets the cruiserweight title? That's just wrong. He attacks Juventud one week, then instantly gets a title shot, that's a little dumb.


New Year's Revolution is coming up in the beginning of January, and only 2 matches have been made official.

*Elimination Chamber: WWE champ John Cena vs Kurt Angle vs Kane vs Shawn Michaels vs Chris Masters vs Carlito Caribbean Cool

*Women's champ Trish Stratus vs Mickie James


Another rushed PPV is what I see. Announcing matches at the last minute isn't a good thing. People will order the PPV most likely just for the elimination chamber and not even really care about the rest of the show. Armageddon was another example of rushing a PPV together. For most of the time before it, only hell in a cell and Smackdown vs Raw was announced.

WWE needs to cut down the PPV's to 12 again, then they won't have to rush to put together a PPV more than one time a month sometimes. I believe for 2006, WWE has 16-18 PPV's overall. That's just a bit much, if you ask me.


In case people missed it: Kristal (from the diva search, and she is also the new Smackdown interviewer), along with Leyla Milano (also from the diva search) were both models holding the briefcases for the new NBC game show "Deal or No Deal".
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob1981 wrote:
Not really, Boogey Man is just horrible and I can tell only a few fans even find it somewhat entertaining.


That's not what I hear. Mostly all the wrestling fans that I know can't get enough of the Boogeyman. True, he hasn't really showed much wrestling-wize and skillwize, but a lot of people actually think that he is darn enternaing as hell whenever he cuts his crazy promos on TV. Just him being ugly, barely having any teeth, and eating worms is enough to get him over with a lot of fans. Silly Very Happy

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As for Kid Kash, he is talented but certainly getting pushed so soon. He only appeared a little on WWE tv, and then gets the cruiserweight title? That's just wrong. He attacks Juventud one week, then instantly gets a title shot, that's a little dumb.


I kinda agree with this, that he did win the title a little fast, but I wouldn't really say he's being pushed too fast. Kid Kash has already made a pretty good name for himself in other promotions, so a lot of the true wrestling fans already knows who he is. Anyways, as far as I see it, since the WWE doesn't really respect the Cruserweights all that much, that title probably doesn't mean all that much compared to the other titiles. Plus, I don't think it's nearly as bad as Carlito winning the United States title in his debut.

Yep, it is obvious that the WWE is heavily concentrating on the Elimination Chamber Match heading into New Years Revolution. It does seem like a rushed PPV. The way I see it, unless it's part of the "Big 4" PPVs the WWE wouldn't put as much work in promoting it or building it up. I'm sure they are probably gonna announce a few matches for the PPV this week though (like Triple H vs Big Show, there's supposed to be a contract signing in Raw according to WWE.com). It's a little hard to build up a PPV though, considering that it is the Holiday season, and a lot of the roster just came from Afghanistan.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best of 2005 Smackdown aired last night, and in my opinion it wasn't that great. They basically did it in a few sections: Eddie Guerrero, Randy Orton/Undertaker, Batista, Smackdown vs Raw and Booker T/Chris Benoit. They showed some other clips, like a video package of some of the new people. Some of the stuff they showed, like the Eddie/Rey match was certainly a best of, but other things really weren't best of the year.

No cruiserweight matches, and basically no tag matches (they showed a few tag clips, plus Survivor Series elimination match which was tag).

Tag I can understand, since WWE doesn't seem to care about that much. But no cruiserweight matches is just wrong. There has been plenty of great cruiserweight matches during the year on Smackdown.

Well I suppose, if there is a best of Velocity 2005 (which I would imagine there probably will be on WWE's site). Then there will be cruiserweight matches.


TNA Impact preview for tonight:

Christopher Daniels vs Eric Young, Chris Sabin vs Abyss, Ron Killings vs Kenny King, Christian Cage vs Chris Harris.

Raw preview for Monday:

5 singles matches featuring the people (challengers for Cena's title) in the elimination chamber for NYR: Kane, Shawn Michaels, Carlito, Chris Masters and Kurt Angle. Winner with fastest time gets the best draw in the chamber.

Also on Raw, a major announcement from Kurt Angle.

A Shawn Michaels/Vince McMahon discussion of Bret Hart's DVD was planned, but looks like it won't happen anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Year's Revolution updated card, some spoilers.
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*Main event: Elimination Chamber for the WWE world title- John Cena (champ) vs Kurt Angle vs Kane (has the best draw, and will come out last) vs Carlito Caribbean Cool vs Chris Masters


My pick- I somehow bet Cena will retain. If he loses the title, it will be at Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania I bet.

*Triple H vs Big Show

My pick- I think Triple H will win. This new push for Show won't last, he just isn't good in the main event... WWE should know that by now.

*I.C champ Ric Flair vs Edge

My pick- Flair most likely.

*Women's champ Trish Stratus vs Mickie James

My pick- Trish


I think they will add at least one more match to NYR, and it will be some filler match that no one cares about I bet.

In other WWE news, Booker T got hurt at a house show the other day. It looks to be serious, so most likely the U.S title series is put on hold or will be scrapped altogether.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched Raw the other day, and Kane won the beat the clock challenge for the Elimination Chamber, so he will be entering the chamber last. But, as we all know, in these kinds of elimination matches, it always seems like the person that is the last to enter (or with the most momentum) never wins the match. In last year's New Year's Revolution elimination chamber, Batista won the beat the clock challenge, but lost the match. Also, who from the Royal Rumble has ever won by entering #30? That's just a random rant.

As far as Smackdown, I didn't read any Internet spoilers from those wrestling sites, but according to the WWE website, they're gonna start a storyline with Batista "sexually harassing" Melina. This is probably gonna end up with MNM winning the Smackdown Tag Titles again, like I expected.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked on Royal Rumble, and no one has won with #30. Brock Lesnar was the closest in 2003, he had #29. There has been other high 20's for winners, but never a 30.


Kane winning the title at NYR isn't likely. I doubt he will ever win the WWE title again. If he does win it, it will be a quick title reign I bet (like when he held the title for 1 day in 1998).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Cena will most likely hold onto the title in the elimination chamber match. I'm a big Triple H fan, I'm hoping he can pull a win over Show but I don't know, WWE has been making Triple H look really weak lately. I'm glad he's finally on his own though and has no one to help him. Did anyone watch Raw the other night? What in the hell is up with Mickie James kissing Trish? That was like the most sudden thing ever, lol.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Year's Revolution (Raw only PPV) is this Sunday, and the lineup is pretty weak in my opinion.

I realize WWE likes to save the best stuff for the bigger PPV's (Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam and Survivor Series), but this is just out of hand.

6 matches are announced for the PPV, and only about half of them are decent.

Here is the lineup (probably the final card, but they still could throw something else in):

-Main event (Elimination Chamber for the WWE world title):

(Champ) John Cena vs Kurt Angle vs Kane vs Shawn Michaels vs Chris Masters

*Kane has the best draw in the chamber.

-I.C champ Ric Flair vs Edge

-Triple H vs Big Show

-Jerry Lawler vs Gregory Helms

-Women's champ Trish Stratus vs Mickie James

-(Bra and Panties match) Torrie Wilson vs Victoria vs Candice Michelle vs Ashley vs Maria


Lawler vs Helms isn't needed at all, and proves that WWE isn't good with booking matches anymore. An announcer shouldn't be wrestling, period. There is plenty of deserving people that should be on the PPV instead of Lawler. People like Shelton Benjamin, Rob Conway, Chavo Guerrero and so on, should be on a PPV, not middle aged announcers that use to be wrestlers full time.
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