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Rob1981 · Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 1:44 am Post subject:

Gregory Helms is injured now, and is expected to be out 1 year. Now that really sucks. Shawn Michaels is injured as well, but is expected to wrestle at Judgment Day at least.

In other WWE news: it's rumored Snitsky will be on all 3 brands. I hope not, he isn't that great.

WWE continues to fire: Ariel, Scotty Too Hotty, Nick Mitchell (Nicky of the Spirit Squad) are all gone now. I'm surprised Scotty finally went. Fans still seemed to love him, even though he was a jobber for the most part. I hope people like Viscera, Funaki and the Highlanders get fired next.

I'm a bit disappointed that the Daltons didn't wrestle last night on Smackdown. Apparently they didn't due to "time restraints". They should've cut the Miz jobber match, and done a Dalton jobber match instead.

Here is my Judgment Day picks:

CM Punk over Elijah Burke- this should be decent, if given enough time. But I somehow think this could be the opening match.

Carlito over Ric Flair- Average match, nothing too special. Carlito certainly needs a decent push in my opinion.

Randy Orton over Shawn Michaels- Seeing as how Michaels is injured, I expect Orton to win easily (or they just have Michaels forfeit..but I doubt that will happen.)

Chris Benoit over MVP in 3 falls- This should be decent, but I somehow doubt MVP will get the win. I can imagine him getting the 2nd fall with a rollup or something, but not the title.

Lashley over McMahons+Umaga to regain the title- Lashley needs to regain, and this feud with the McMahons needs to end. Give Lashley actual wrestlers to fight. This is a very stale feud.

John Cena over Great Khali- Worst match of the night/worst main event in years I bet.

Edge/Batista: DQ finish- I doubt Batista will lose cleanly, and I just dont see Edge losing the title this quick, so a DQ finish seems likely.
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Obecorp · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:49 am Post subject:

Snitsky isn't gonna be in all 3 brands. They are just showing his vignettes in all 3 brands just to make him look like on the scarier people in the roster who people should take notice. I'm guessing he will probably stay in ECW. I do agree that he isn't that great.

As far as the WWE firings, I don't think they should have fired Ariel, because we didn't really get a chance to see her wrestle yet. I didn't see her work in the indys but those that did, say that she was really one of the better women wrestlers in the industry. But, I guess that's what happens when you try to stick up for yourself against Batista, and Stephanie McMahon doesn't like your look. I wouldn't be surprised if we see her in TNA in the next few months.

Nick Mitchell was actually "Mitch" from the Spirit Squad (the guy from Tough Enough who did that stupid but kinda funny thing when he dragged his butt in the ring). He was not Nicky. Nicky was Nick Nemeth, the guy who used to be Kerwin White's caddy.

I didn't order Judgement Day because the card looked like it sucked, with the exception of a few matches. And from many reviews, it looked like I was right. The 3 world championship matches I heard sucked, which probably ruined the whole PPV. The ECW title match was a horrible finish, the World Title match had no chemistry, and the WWE Title Match Cena/Khali (need I say more). Many say they had a decent undercard/midcard though with the Punk/Burke match being the best (though the crowd wasn't really into it, because it wasn't a smart crowd).

Up next for the WWE, One Night Stand. Judgement Day didn't really build any good momentum for this PPV, and that's too bad. Early reports are that one match is gonna be Lashley/McMahon one-on-one for the ECW title (Extreme Rules).
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Rob1981 · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:

Judgment Day looked alright, but nothing too special. I'm surprised MVP won in 2 straight falls. I don't think he will have a long title reign though.

As for One Night Stand: apparently it will be all gimmick matches involving hardcore/extreme rules of some sort. I suppose that could be okay, but it seems like they are just doing that because it's in Philly (and because the PPV was originally just an ECW exclusive).

JBL offered to wrestle again, due to lack of heels on Smackdown. His offer was turned down though, apparently due to not being able to work on the road fulltime. This is disappointing, as JBL back wrestling would be a great thing.

I almost won a seat from King of the Ring 1996 in an online auction. The bid was low: but towards the end it went up alot. I believe it was over $20 (which included shipping) when it closed. It had a little damage and wear to it, so I didn't want to pay too much for it.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject:

In a correction from my last post: One Night Stand isn't in Philly like I originally thought.

Tonight on Raw: 2 matches were made for it. Vince vs Lashley (street fight) and Cena vs Khali (falls count anywhere). I certainly hope these are matches to end those feuds.

From the looks of it: I would expect Carlito to face Ric Flair in a lumberjack or steel cage match.

Tomorrow Saturday Night's Main Event will be taped. I believe the airdate is June 2.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject:

One Night Stand is pretty soon, so far it looks just alright...nothing too special.

-World champ Edge vs Batista (steel cage): Edge needs to win here. A short lived title reign shouldn't happen. Edge should keep the title a few months at least.

-WWE champ John Cena vs Great Khali (falls count anywhere): Horrible, I hope this is the end of their feud. Have Cena feud with Orton or anyone else but Khali.

-ECW champ Vince McMahon vs Bobby Lashley (street fight): Once again, END the feud. Lashley should win here.

From the looks of it: MVP vs Chris Benoit, and Deuce+Domino vs Kendrick+London vs Regal+Taylor (I somehow think this could be a ladder match) are possible Smackdown matches. While Ric Flair vs Carlito, and Hardys vs Cade+Murdoch vs Benjamin+Haas are possible Raw matches.

After Smackdown ended tonight: I wondered, where the hell are the Daltons? They hype them one week: then nothing. Instead we get garbage with Boogey Man/Jillian. Other than that though: Smackdown was pretty decent.
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coralvalley · Lifeless Person Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 918

So far with one night stand with Batista versus Edge, yeah I like Batista and Edge. They are both great in my opinion, I probably like Batista better, but Edge totally needs to win this match. I was tired of seeing John Cena take the title away from him like nothing and I think he needs a longer title run.

John Cena versus Khali I really could care less about because I really don't like either person. The fact they had Cena make Khali tap out was horrible and have a feud like that should never be the main event. Even with Andre and Hulk hogan, people liked those two. About three fourths of the crowd hates Cena and no one really has a feeling for Khali. Either way, this match will end up poor.

Bobby versus McMahon, I think is a joke because I was ready for it to end before it even started. The whole idea of that match to me a bore.

I have no idea what they have in mind for the rest but hopefully some good matches. The only thing I'm really looking forward to is the Edge Batista match.

Rob1981 · Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject:

Some of the card for the June 2nd Saturday Night's Main Event has been announced:

-WWE champ John Cena vs Great Khali (non-title)

-Edge+MVP vs Batista+Chris Benoit

-Finlay+Hornswoogle vs Boogey Man+Little Boogey Man

Cena/Khali is a mistake, one day before their title match. If anything: it will turn fans off of seeing them again. The tag match is fine, but the mixed tag match is stupid. There needs to be some decent matches added to this, otherwise it will do poorly.
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Obecorp · Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:45 am Post subject:

I heard from somewhere that it is rumored that they are going to bring back the draft lottery in a 3 hour episode of Raw later this month, which is supposed to involve the whole roster. It should be interesting to see who will get switched. Early rumors are, Chris Benoit might move to Raw or ECW, and Regal may move to Raw (because he and HHH are friends).

Take this for what its worth, but it is also rumored that Jericho might be back within the next few months. Even though this is a rumor, and there might not be some substance to it, I surely hope that this is true, for the injuries are kind of killing WWE's starpower a little bit. It also stinks, that RVD will be leaving the WWE relatively soon.

SNME is an important show for the WWE, since it is airing a day before ONS. Since ONS had only a little bit over 2 weeks to build up, they are gonna need as much help as possible to build that show up and at least draw some decent buy rates. Plus, since the injuries, WWE's product has gone downhill after slightly improving around and after Wrestlemania.

As far as TNA goes, though the card isn't complete yet, it is important for TNA for Slammiversary to be a good show. Since it's the 5th anniversary special, they have to have a strong card that will be memorable, as well as a strong main event. Since they are "technically" crowning the first ever TNA world champion, it should be somewhat memorable (I only say "technically" because the Christian was the "first" TNA Champion for a few hours and Angle later took it away from him, who was champ for only a day). So far, with Angle and Joe in the King of the Mountain Match, they are going the right direction.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

The draft lottery is indeed happening on the 3 hour Raw on June 11. I think Benoit should stay put. How many times has he switched from Raw to Smackdown already? I believe he was on Raw: then Smackdown, then Raw again, then Smackdown again (correct me if I'm wrong). Benoit would be great back in the main event, for Smackdown.

Another rumor has Mr. Kennedy going to Raw: I certainly hope not. I can imagine him getting used poorly on that show. He should remain on Smackdown, and be in the main event there. I've also heard rumors London might go to Raw to be in the I.C title picture. I just don't see that working though.

New matches for One Night Stand: Melina vs Candice Michelle in a pudding match (the women's title isn't on the line), plus Hardys vs World's Greatest Tag Team in a ladder match. The tag match should be good: but I doubt the Hardys are going to lose the titles just yet. Benoit vs MVP is a likely match, as well as an ECW match.
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Obecorp · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:11 am Post subject:

From the spoilers I read, it looks like SNME isn't gonna be that great of a show. That's kind of a shame, since every single time the WWE gets an opportunity on NBC, they should put on a near PPV calibre TV show. The timeslot isn't really helping either, since many people are likely gonna be doing something late Saturday Night.

I heard Benoit is going to Raw because of the lack of main event babyfaces on that show. Outside John Cena, they don't have anyone (with both HHH and HBK on the shelf now). Plus, the head writer in Smackdown, Michael Hayes, doesn't think of Benoit as a main event wrestler, so it's only natural he goes back to Raw. Although, I would agree that he's been switched between shows way too many times. If he doesn't go to Raw, then he might go to ECW (which wouldn't be too bad of a move IMO, since that program should be geared more toward the die-hard wrestling fans).

As far as other potential draftees, there may be talks that Lashley may lose to Vince again at ONS, and be drafted to Raw (he might as well be a Raw superstar, since it's seems like he's been representing Raw more than ECW the past few months). They possibly could move Kennedy to Raw too. Personally, I think he's good in either Raw or Smackdown, but would be better in Smackdown for now. He should still have a feud with Edge, since he has unfinished business with him. Another thing I could possibly see too (though highly unlikely), that Teddy Long will be drafted to ECW and he'll become the new GM there, and Vickie Guerrero assumes the GM spot for Smackdown (since that has been rumored for a really long time, but the writers couldn't find a way to put that through).

We'll see how everything goes regarding the draft within the next couple of weeks. From what I understand, they still haven't announced how the draft will go. Will they do the draft in one night? or will they do it in a course of a few weeks? They also didn't mention, how many superstars from each show are gonna be switched, and if GMs can trade their superstars at the end of the draft. It should be interesting to see what the WWE has planned for this.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject:

Powerful Families of Wrestling and the ladder match DVDs come out next week. I will be getting ladder at least. The families match list (from what I've read), doesn't seem that impressive.

The next WWE June PPV: Vengeance is planned to be all title matches. This is a good idea, as long as the matches are decent.

In other PPV news: TNA is doing a celebrity angle, which will lead to James Storm against Frank Wycheck (former NFL star, currently a sports talk show host in Nashville). I certainly hope it's pre-show, as it would be a waste of time on the actual PPV. I suppose it could help show sales (if it's not sold out already), and local PPV buyrates...but that wouldn't be alot for the huge sales picture.

From Wrestling Observer:

Rob1981 · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:46 am Post subject:

One Night Stand is this Sunday. Here is the card and my picks:

-World champ Edge over Batista in a steel cage match (this should be the better of the 3 brand world title matches)

-WWE champ John Cena over Great Khali in a falls count anywhere match (The worst of the 3 title matches)

-Bobby Lashley over ECW champ Vince McMahon in a street fight (End this feud already....)

-Randy Orton over RVD in a stretcher match (Seeing as how RVD is leaving pretty soon, Orton should go over. I expect an somewhat decent match, nothing too special)

-Mark Henry over Kane in a lumberjack match (Henry gets the win now, Kane wins later. Hopefully this is much better than the dull Smackdown match.)

-Tag champs Hardys over World's Greatest Tag Team in a ladder match (Should be the match of the night)

-CM Punk, Tommy Dreamer+Sandman over New Breed in tables match (Eh.. I can expect this to be the starting "average" match)

-Womens champ Melina over Candice Michelle (Melina wins now, Candice wins later is my guess)

I think that's the full card, a Benoit/MVP match was scrapped. I'm a bit surprised people like Finlay, Duece+Domino, Benoit, Flair and Carlito are left off this. I'm starting to think all brands on PPVs isn't going to work, as there is too many feuds and mini-feuds going on.

I think it should be: Raw and Smackdown exclusive PPVs with 1 or 2 ECW matches on them. That plan would work alot better. Overall in ECW: it's basically New Breed against ECW Originals and the ECW champion feuding with Vince on Raw most of the time. Hopefully the draft moves Lashley to Raw, brings a few name people to ECW and actually make the ECW title mean something. If not: this ECW simply shouldn't exist, as the title is just a prop for yet another lame McMahon feud.
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Obecorp · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:58 am Post subject:

I'm not so sure what to think about ONS. It could be good, but at the same time, it could just as easily be bad. I don't think I'll give my usual analyzed predictions, but here are just a few thoughts...

There's a possibility that RVD might beat Randy Orton, since Dave Meltzer for the Wrestling Observer said that Vince was a little bid mad that RVD leaving is common knowledge, and might surprise the smart fans by asking RVD to stay for a few more weeks. This should make sense, because RVD should have one last good PPV match/victory to give an homage to the fans before he leaves. But, I don't think RVD will win though.

I don't think the Cena/Khali match won't be as bad as many people say. Believe it or not, the Last Man Standing/I Quit/Falls Count Anywhere type of match is Cena's type of match. I'm not gonna say it's gonna be great, but it should be better than what many people expect. I will say, that Cena will actually have to carry his opponent in his match (which usually isn't the case). Khali can't work a match to save his life.

I do agree that the ladder match would be pretty good, and will probably be the greatest match on the card. But, I do I think the Tables match would be decent too. It would be nice to see the WGTT win the tag belts, since I think the Hardys should do their thing in singles competition, but I don't think it would happen.

I do think though, that depending on the results of One Night Stand, you should be able to see how the draft is gonna take place. Most especially, if Bobby Lashley doesn't win the belt from Vince, I think it'll pretty much be a given that he's gonna end up on Raw.
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Obecorp · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:43 am Post subject:

One Night Stand was last night. I didn't order it because I need to save some money for other things. But from what I heard, top to bottom, it was really solid (with the only exception being the pudding match and the lumberjack match).

Like I mentioned before, there was a chance they are gonna have RVD win the match, and it wasn't gonna be dominated by Orton. I'm not sure how or if they are gonna work/continue with this angle, but I think this may be RVD's final match in WWE programming. But, if not, I would like to see him have a really good match as a nice good bye to the fans, perhaps with CM Punk (which would sort of be one of those matches where he "passes the torch").

Everybody's raving about the ladder match though. On paper, it looked like the WWE did a good job just booking this match on the card, but from reading the match details, this seemed to be a MOTY contender. I might have to try to check it out when I have some free time.

As far as the 3 main events, I heard the steel cage match was the best, because Batista seemed like he surprised fans and did better than expected. The other 2 main events, I heard were pretty good also!

I ain't gonna post some personal thoughts about this PPV, because like I said, I didn't watch it. But, I'm just posting my reactions on the results that I read. From what I understand, TNA has a lot of work to do for Slammiversary to top this, and the WWE will come up with a Vengeance PPV later this month that has a "Night of the Champions" theme.
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Rob1981 · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:07 am Post subject:

Slammiversary has a major setback now: Scott Steiner injured his neck during a match recently. Surgery happened already (from what I've read), but I don't think he will be able to work the planned Steiners/Team 3-D match. I personally didn't care for the match, but TNA was counting on it to draw in viewers due to it being a dream match.

The WWE draft is a little less than a week away. Hopefully it doesn't break up too many teams. Teams like Deuce+Domino, World's Greatest Tag Team, Cade+Murdoch, Hardys and so on...shouldn't be broken up. I would be fine with Highlanders and/or Cryme Tyme being broken up though. In my opinion, both of those teams need better gimmicks or should be sent back to development. Regal+Taylor seem likely to break up, as Regal is rumored to join Raw as a singles wrestler.

The rumored Summerslam main event: WWE vs the cast of Jackass. I'm not sure what actual role they will have: but either way...it sounds stupid. What the hell is WWE thinking? Also: if I remember right, the same cast (at least some of it) appeared in TNA for X division segments, which were a bad attempt at humor.
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