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[Rob1981]

Bound for Glory was last weekend. New champions were crowned: Gail Kim won the Women's title (no surprise), AJ Styles+Tomko won the tag titles, and Sting won the World title.

Styles+Tomko as tag champs seems like a filler team,

I would think TNA would expect Sting to hold the title a while, which is alright I suppose. However, the company needs to make and push new stars instead of revolving around people like Sting so much.
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[Rob1981]

In WWE news: Booker T and Sharmell are done with the company. Their official releases will take place on October 27. Also, Daivari is gone from the company (as of October 16).

Cyber Sunday is only a week away. Here is the card as of now:


*World champ Batista vs Undertaker (the referee will be Steve Austin, Mick Foley or JBL).

It's pretty obvious it will be Austin, as he is the most popular of the three. I expect an alright match with Batista winning, or a DQ finish possibly. Undertaker should win the title at Survivor Series in my view.

*WWE champ Randy Orton vs Shawn Michaels, Jeff Hardy or Mr. Kennedy. Another lame vote, it's very likely to be Shawn.

*ECW champ CM Punk vs John Morrison, Big Daddy V or The Miz. Most likely it will be Morrison, but if WWE lies about voting, it will be Big Daddy V I bet.

*Triple H vs Umaga (steel cage, street fight or first blood). I can bet steel cage will win.

*MVP vs Matt Hardy (boxing, wrestling or mixed martial arts). Are you kidding me? It will be wrestling, unless WWE lies about voting.

*Rey Mysterio vs Finlay (shillaleigh on a pole, no DQ or stretcher). I can bet people wont be voting for the stupid pole option. Stretcher and no DQ are too similar in my opinion, aren't both technically no DQ? I don't recall stretcher matches having set rules, except for to put your opponent on it to win.


I would expect some sort of diva match to be put on the card, and perhaps a tag match. Overall: it's the typical gimmicky lame Cyber Sunday. WWE needs to rename it and get rid of the voting, or make decent options. Whats the point of people voting, when WWE has it planned out already? Take a few chances, it wont hurt.

Unless I'm missing something, why haven't they mentioned the cruiserweight title since Hornswoogle was stripped of it? I hope it's not retired, as the division could be decent if WWE worked on it more. As of now, the Smackdown cruiserweights are on jobber duty or in tag teams.
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[Rob1981]

Cyber Sunday is tonight, and the card is average. Besides what I posted above: the added a Diva Halloween contest. It seems like the MVP/Hardy match isn't even for the U.S title, which seems pointless. I guess they really want it to continue. In my view, it doesn't have much life left in it. Hopefully Survivor Series ends the MVP/Hardy feud and team. Bring tag wrestling back, as Smackdown is starting to improve somewhat.

In other WWE news, rumors have been flying around that Jericho could return either tonight or on Raw. It could happen, but I'm not counting on it. WWE is building this up, so they might just wait longer.
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[coralvalley]

After seeing Cyber Sunday, I was half happy with some of the results and the other half I wasn't all that impressed with. Here's my thoughts:

ECW Champion CM Punk defeated The Miz. This match I thought was ridiculous, I could not believe that The Miz was the one that was picked to be in this match. I for sure thought this one would go to John Morrison, the wrestler I think rightfully deserved it, but it went to someone lower on the ladder. Let's just say I was a bit surprised to see him being voted in by all the fans, he never seemed like a real fan favorite, more of a joke. It was obvious from that CM Punk would be the victor in this match.

Shawn Michaels defeated WWE Champion Randy Orton (DQ, Orton Retains):

This match, was too predictable, you know Shawn Michaels would get voted in. I think half the world knew it too, it was just the fact that you knew Orton would be the one to cheat. After losing Cena as their champ, Cena was the man that never lost and won fair and square. So they needed the ultimate bad guy, making Randy Orton cheat to get to keep the title. It was a tactic I've seen plenty of times in the past, by more worthy champions. Randy Orton is their ideal champ as of right now and it really doesn't fit the character or the man. Orton was the obvious man walking away with the title that night because they wouldn't trade off the titles just in a few weeks.

World Heavyweight Champion Batista defeats Undertaker (Guest Referee Stone Cold Steve Austin):

This match, like most of the others was quite predictable. Batista who has never beat the Undertaker, just recently came out with a book, he was in his hometown and made plenty of appearances on radio stations advertising himself and his book. It was obvious that this guy was going to win the title and beat Undertaker for the first time. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Batista fan, Angle and Batista have always been my favorites, but for some reason I felt myself rooting for Undertaker. The way the match ended I felt cheated. Stone Cold didn't even make that big of an appearance and it was sad to see that.

After seeing the pay per view, I love seeing Batista with the title still and don't get me wrong, it wasn't the worst part of the night, but the pay per view was horrible. Probably one of the most predictable ones I have seen in a while. Hopefully the next one isn't as bad.

The one thing in wrestling I am looking forward to is in TNA. With the recent messages of Sting's new partner coming in to tag against Angle and Nash, I'm begging for this mystery guy to possibly be Booker T also known as King Booker. I'm hoping that this surprise guy will be someone big and not just a small guy to build up hype only to be disappointed in the end. I say bring on TNA. I'm loving see Kurt Angle as the champ again and I'm loving the segments the guy puts on back stage. TNA this week should be a good show, but most weeks it is too. Especially getting to see my favorite tag team, Tomko-Styles finally getting some spotlight as the champions.

[Rob1981]

[Rob1981]

Booker T, Sharmell and Johnny Stamboli are now with TNA. This is just getting out of hand, as TNA is just becoming WCW version 2.0 it seems. They hire just about any ex-WCW, WWE and ECW star they can, because fans know them. If they would make more stars, instead of hiring known stars so much, the company would improve I bet.

In WWE news, Survivor Series is this Sunday. It looks alright, but I personally would've liked more classic elimination matches. As of now: there is only 1. The card seems to be complete, but they might add a tag title match of some sort. Also it appears that Chris Jericho will finally return next week on Raw. We will see if that is true or not.

The newest Smackdown vs Raw video game is now out. It looks decent, but I probably wont get it right away. It's for all current video game systems, as well as last-generation system PlayStation 2.
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[coralvalley]

I actually have gotten the new Raw vs. Smackdown game and I thought it turned out great. There are a few glitches in the game, but over all I thought the graphics were pretty great and some things looked very cool. The entrances are probably the best in my view, when someone comes out they make a real impact when it's the first time you watch it. I have one of the older games and comparing the two, it looks sweet to what it used to be.

In the newer news, Chris Jericho returning. I know WWE gave it up way before it actually happened once I got the new magazine for WWE with him on the cover. I was actually happy to see him return and the only thing I could really ask for is that he returns and beats Randy Orton. I know Orton has had the title for long, but I hope he doesn't keep it for much longer. I really don't feel that Orton is deserving of the title.

I was also very excited to see that Edge returned and I was hoping for a big storyline, something good, but instead if you saw Smackdown, you saw how his luck turned out and I feel bad for the guy. He was gone that long and got stuck with Vickie like that, I hope that his future is brighter than his present right now. Edge is by far my favorite Smackdown guy, but I'm rooting for Batista and Taker at the end of this. Maybe they all will have a decent match together, who knows? I just know that right now, I'm more behind Batista than anyone else because what has happened with Edge.

With TNA, I was disappointed to see that it was Booker T coming to TNA. I was hoping for maybe the Big Show, but now I guess Booker now has some time to shine and that's what he deserves. Can't wait to see some action and what happens with his future storylines.

[Rob1981]

Tonight on Raw, Ric Flair returned. He now must win every match, otherwise he is forced to retire (according to the new storyline). I don't like the sound of this, as Flair needs to simply retire. He's been way past his prime for a while now.

As for Edge's return, I liked it. He isn't "stuck" with Vickie, it's a good way to Vickie to get some heel heat, while making Edge more of a hated guy on Smackdown. Hopefully he gets the World title sometime soon, as Batista doesn't deserve it. He is boring in the ring, and not getting any better.
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With Edge, he is a great heel, he could get some heat just by being who he is because he has the perfect ability of making a perfect it heel. It's something he does great and he is by far my favorite on Smackdown, he didn't need Vickie to become the heel that I know he is because he is not only an amazing wrestler, but he is also a great charismatic speaker on the microphone.

If I could pick who the champion would be, I would go with the Undertaker because Taker deserves a good shot at the title and a long one at that since he was cheated out of it months ago.

When it comes to Batista, to some he is downright boring in the ring, but every time I have been to an event, which has been quite a lot, the top two guys are always Batista and Taker. I know that a lot of people don't like him, but as long as he is the man holding the show on his shoulders and people continue to love him considering how popular he really is, there is no way he won't be in the title shot chances. He does a good job at keeping the crowd liking him, so I don't see that title not being in his life anytime soon.

With Raw last night, I thought it was great seeing Jericho return in his first match with Santino, it was quite the funny response, but it was even better to see him come out during the Ric Flair match and save Ric Flair. The only thing I was confused about was that I thought Flair was a Smackdown superstar and that's what I was confused about until I saw he was in his hometown. I do however think I'm going to like the Jericho and Orton feud, probably like it better if Jericho is the one that comes out on top.

[Rob1981]

Vickie is out, and Teddy Long is back as general manager of Smackdown. I simply hated this, as Long is even worse than Vickie. Now it's back to the same old "general manager helps only the crowd favorites" nonsense that has been taking place on Smackdown for too long now. I would rather have no GM, than Long back.

The 15th anniversary of Raw is coming this month (even though Raw debuted in January, not December). Hopefully some major changes happen at it, as the current WWE isn't that great. I hope it's not just a reunion show to have Austin and others do a few things to help ratings for a week or so.
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[Rob1981]

TNA did one of the stupidest things ever at Turning Point. They had a gimmick battle royal called "Feast or Fired" which had 4 briefcases, that wrestlers had to grab. In 3 of the cases: title shots, in the last one: a pink slip (which means the wrestler is fired). So the match happened: and they announced the cases will be opened on the next Impact. This is a slap in the face to everyone that bought the PPV. Overall, Turning Point seemed alright but nothing too special for being the final 2007 PPV.

In WWE news, the Raw anniversary next week has several big names planned for it already: Eric Bischoff, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, Mick Foley and Trish Stratus. Plus there will be a family portrait with Hornswoogle and the McMahons.... which will be stupid I bet. In my view, they need to stop this nonsense already. It's making everyone look stupid, everytime Hornswoogle pins someone after Finlay helps out. Also, Hornswoogle basically killed the cruiserweight title. They vacated it from him, and still have yet to determine a new champion.
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The Raw anniversary the other day seemed pretty good (I didn't see it though). Obviously people in TNA didn't appear, but the lineup was pretty decent. Steve Austin, Mankind, Hulk Hogan, Rob Van Dam, all the McMahons (except Linda), Bob Backlund, Jim Neidhart and many other stars appeared. I believe they are putting it on DVD right away, so I will make sure to pick it up. I'm not sure, but I think the Raw special might be part of a best of Raw DVD (which includes highlights from Raw since it's debut in 1993).
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Oh yeah, the Raw anniversary was pretty decent, it had some great superstars coming back to make great impacts. Loved the ending with Taker, Mankind and Stone Cold, it added a perfect ending to it. I thought at first it would be horrible because the first 30 minutes seemed to be a bit of a blow off with Triple H and it felt like it was going on a little too long. I think it was supposed to be a comedy relief but I didn't really think it was that funny. I did however love seeing the whole Evolution reunion because I love Batista, Triple H and Ric Flair and hate Orton so the the end up to it seemed way too great for me considering how it went down. Triple H and Batista are my favorites out of the two and it was great seeing them working together again.

When it comes down to the latest pay-per view, I hated it. With Triple H getting beat my Jeff Hardy, that was the worst let down. I was expecting Triple H to win and he lost to Jeff. Not something that I thought would really make a good match. Having JBL interfere with the Jericho and Orton match was also horrible in my opinion. I don't like Orton to start off with, but they made Jericho's return to be something so big and it turned out to be a let down. His big return really meant nothing at all in the long run and it was disappointing. With the Batista, Taker and Edge match, that was another bad one in my opinion. I love all three of the guys and I thought the turn up was horrible. Having Edge win the way he did again made me hate the pay-per-view even more. I think the pay-per-views aren't worth it lately which is really kind of sad.

The future should be interesting with the Royal Rumble coming up, right now I just know I find TNA more interesting as of right now.

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[coralvalley]

Oh I agree with you that Edge should have the title run. I just wasn't happy with the fact that he always has to win the match by cheating when I know he is a very talented wrestler and deserves a real title win. I think he's incredibly talented and he has so much charisma in the ring that he does deserve it. I just think it would be awesome for once to see him win a title by himself. As I had said earlier, I think Edge, Batista and Taker are some of my favorites from that show.

With Batista, he is one of the fan favorites of SmackDown and while you think his muscles are gross, I know for a fact the only reason he is so popular is because he has a very wide spread population of his fans to be women that find him extremely attractive. If Kurt Angle couldn't get away with pain pills, there is no way that Batista could NOT get in trouble with steroids. Angle was always the more popular wrestler, so I can't see that happening. John Cena is just as big and looks grosser in my opinion.

I just feel that Taker's time is almost ending and he might deserve another title shot since his last one didn't last very long. Edge's title reign should be great, I was just hoping to maybe see it shined with a better light, instead of having Vickie saving him every move he makes.

The guy is a great wrestler and he deserves it, but I'd like to see his real talent win it for once.