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[Rob1981]

New Year's Revolution just took place. SPOILERS....
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Match results:

I.C champ Ric Flair beat Edge by DQ, Women's champ Trish Stratus beat Mickie James, Jerry Lawler beat Gregory Helms, Triple H beat Big Show, Shelton Benjamin beat Viscera, Ashley won the bra and panties gauntlet match (also in the match were- Maria, Torrie Wilson, Victoria, Ashley+Candice Michelle), WWE champ John Cena won the elimination chamber (also in it were- Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Kane, Carlito+Chris Masters). Edge beat WWE champ John Cena to win the title.


My thoughts and some notes- A rushed card that was pretty horrible. An announcer (Lawler) shouldn't be winning over a young talent. Fabulous Moolah and Mae Young appeared during the women's gauntlet match, for their usual sick stuff. Shelton/Viscera was added during the card, after Viscera had a segment with Shelton's mom. Edge/Cena was added as well, Edge used his "Money in the Bank" title shot he had earned many months ago. I'm glad Edge is champ, but I'm sure it won't last. At WM (or sooner), Cena will regain I bet....

Chris Jericho was rumored to be at the show, but didn't appear on camera.
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[Obecorp]

I didn't watch WWE New Years Revolution this year, but I am actually really pleased with the result. Cena is not the champion anymore. Personally, I don't really like Edge either, but he has slowly become one of the more entertaining characters on RAW, and he definitely deserves to hold that title more than Cena.

I think that the WWE actually did a pretty good job in trying to catch people off guard and making Edge the champion. They tried to have a build up and make the fans believe that he would be in a serious feud with Flair for the Intercontintal title, instead of him going for the WWE title. And it worked. But, he did have to cash in his opportunity sooner or later, so I guess New Years Revolution would have been the perfect time to do it, since it probably would have been unlikely that he would cash it in during Wrestlemania.

I too also think that Edge probably wouldn't have his belt that much longer. I seriously think John Cena is going to win his belt back in the Royal Rumble. And hopefully, Triple H will win the Royal Rumble and challenge Cena for the belt in Wrestlemania. That should be a match that a lot of people would probably love to see! Personally, I think Triple H would probably make a great champ again. But, since he's having a baby with Stephanie McMahon, it's probably gonna be hard to predict what the WWE has planned for "the Game".
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[Obecorp]

I'm not really sure if you all know this, but Batista is also no longer the World Heavyweight Champion on Smackdown. All over the WWE website this past week, they said that on the Smackdown taping earlier this week, he had to surrender the title because Mark Henry injured his bicep in a house show, and he needed surgery. The new champion will then be determined after a 15-man battle royal. The winner ended up being Raw's Kurt Angle!

Since Kurt Angle is one of my favorite wrestlers, I am really glad to see this happen. As much as I liked Batista, it was time for him to give up that belt, and I am glad to see that Kurt Angle will be given a chance again to be on the top. But, this now raises the question to see what the WWE is gonna do with Angle, since he is a RAW superstar with a Smackdown belt. (He is still scheduled to fight Shawn Michaels Monday Night on RAW). Hopefully, he'll go back to Smackdown, since I think that show really does need another main eventer.

As far as Smackdown for tonight, I haven't read any of the Internet spoilers (other than what was said in WWE.com) so for the most part, I don't really know what will happen. I will definitely watch (or record) what will happen tonight to see all the interesting developments going into the Royal Rumble.
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[Obecorp]

As far as the Royal Rumble goes, here are the confirmed matches and participants...

Edge vs John Cena for the WWE Championship

Royal Rumble participants so far:

Bobby Lashley
Rob Van Dam (I for one am extremely excited to see him return!)
Chavo Guerrero
Shelton Benjamin
Kane
Triple H

There are probably gonna be a few more participants that are going to be announced in Smackdown tonight. Even though this is probably gonna be another rushed PPV by the WWE, it will probably be one of the better ones since it is part of the "Big 4".

In other PPV news, TNA Final Resolution is taking place this Sunday. Haven't really been into TNA that much lately (since I haven't had much time to watch Impact on Saturday nights), but I think the matches of the night should be the X-division matches, Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe and AJ Styles vs. that guy from New Japan wrestling. In my opinion, I also think that Christian-Sting vs Jarrett-Monty Brown match is gonna fall short from the hype that TNA was giving it.
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[Rob1981]

Last night on Smackdown, Kurt Angle won the World title, by winning a 20-man battle royal.

A battle royal for the World title? That's just horrible. I can understand if it was just about any other belt in WWE, but the main title shouldn't be determined in a battle royal.

Also on Smackdown, Booker T became U.S champ after Randy Orton (his sub) beat Chris Benoit in the final match to determine a new U.S champ. Booker T is still injured from what I know, so giving him the belt was a mistake.

Next week on Smackdown, Finlay debuts. Most fans will remember him during his WCW days as Belfast Bruiser and Fit Finley. He has been working backstage for WWE for a while, so it will be interesting to see if he has ring rust or not. Back in WCW, he wasn't that great. Plus he is old, WWE should be focusing on young talent, not older people.
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[Diaf]

Can someone please tell me what you enjoy abot watching grown men pretend to fight each other? I'm not trying to start an argument, I just want to know hat attracts you to this "Sport"? Am I missing out on something?
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[Rob1981]

Wrestling is entertaining to watch. The matches, the different gimmicks, storylines and so on. It's basically a soap opera for men.


Last night, the TNA PPV: Final Resolution took place. Sean Waltman (1-2-3 Kid/X-Pac) made his return to TNA and beat Raven. Raven now has to leave TNA (which isn't permanent though, he will probably come back). In the main event of the show, Sting+Christian Cage beat Jeff Jarrett+Monty Brown.

I certainly hope Waltman doesn't team up with the James Gang (BG James and Kip James) as a resurrection of DX in some form. TNA needs to shy away from that, otherwise they will lose viewers because of copying old WWE groups and so on.

Raw preview for tonight: WWE world champ Edge vs Ric Flair in a Tables, ladders and chairs match. Also on the show, World champ Kurt Angle will face Shawn Michaels (I believe this match will still take place, even though Angle is now on Smackdown).
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[Rush]

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[Rob1981]

Royal Rumble is this Sunday, and the card for it is near complete.


Here is the preview:

Raw matches

WWE world champ Edge vs John Cena

Mickie James vs Ashley (Trish Stratus is the guest referee)

Smackdown matches

World champ Kurt Angle vs Mark Henry

JBL vs Boogey Man

Royal Rumble match

In so far...

Raw: Triple H, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Big Show, Kane, Rob Van Dam, Chris Masters, Carlito Caribbean Cool, Shelton Benjamin, Chavo Guerrero, Trevor Murdoch, Viscera, Jonathan Coachman (13 total)

Smackdown: Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Matt Hardy, Orlando Jordan, Bobby Lashley, Sylvan, Joey Mercury, Johnny Nitro, Animal, Simon Dean (12 total)

25 of 30 people are known for it. 5 people left, 2 more from Raw and 3 from Smackdown to be announced most likely... to make it an even 15-15.

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I think they might add one more match and that's it. As for the last 5 people, I'm thinking they will have a qualifying match on Heat possibly. Plus some mystery people, like they usually have. I'm hoping Bob Orton or a McMahon isn't in as a mystery entrant.

In other WWE news, it's been announced UPN+WB will merge networks and start up CW late this year. This is due to poor ratings on the networks. In May, the lineups will most likely be announced for the new CW network. Since Smackdown's contract with UPN is up this year, it might not be picked up. I'm betting it will be, but there is still a chance it might not be.
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[Obecorp]

The WWE Royal Rumble Pay-Per-View should be interesting, for it will really show the developments heading into Wrestlemania.

Other than the title matches and the Royal Rumble match itself, the card still looks somewhat thin. I am not really interested in seeing that women's match, nor the JBL and Boogeyman match. These matches were probably only booked for "entertainment" purposes. But even then, the World Title match with Mark Henry and Kurt Angle doesn't really have a lot of substance to it either, just because Kurt Angle has only been back in Smackdown for a few weeks, and although Mark Henry seems to be improved, he still is pretty unproven in the WWE.

But as far the the WWE title goes, there bound to be something controversial to take place during this match. I previously said in one of my last posts that Cena will probably be given the belt back. During the match, Edge will probably carry the whole match (just like all the other superstars that Cena has fought) but, I am thinking that the WWE might end this match in a way so both Edge and Cena will probably end up in the Wrestlemania main event with the RR winner (probably Triple H). In a way, I think having Cena and Triple H could in the Wrestlemania main event can be interesting for the WWE just because of the odd reversal of roles (right now, Triple H is sort of a guy that the WWE is pushing as a "heel" but fans are starting to cheer because they appreciate his in-ring talent, while Cena is the exact opposite, a guy being pushed the company as a "face", but is being booed because of his lack of in-ring talent). And personally, I think Edge is probably a guy who probably deserves to main event a Wrestlemania. I'm not a big fan of his (just because I always shake my head when I see a skinny guy like him knock down 300-400 pound guys with spears), but with all the punishment he has taken over the years, he probably deserves it.
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[Obecorp]

(cont'd from last post)

As far as the Royal Rumble match goes, the heavy favorite to win this match is probably gonna be Triple H. In my opinion, him and Kurt Angle are probably the best two people in this business. But, one guy that I would really like to see get a chance to run with the ball is Rob Van Dam. He is probably one of the most agile, athletic, and entertaining performers in this business. But, I'm guessing that he would be given a little bit more time in the microphone first to develop his character. When he last in the WWE, IMO they kinda portrayed him as a crackhead with him only saying words like "cool". I'm also thinking that Rey Mysterio will also have a pretty good outing in the Royal Rumble. He is also probably one of those people who should get a shot at the world title, but probably likely won't happen anytime soon. Whoever is gonna win, I'm guessing the guy who will win will be from Raw and/or probably will challenge for the WWE title (in Raw). But as usual, matches such as the Royal Rumble is usually used as a springboard for the younger superstars. Although they won't win, wrestlers like Lashley Carlito, and Chris Masters, are probably gonna try to do something that should impress people.

I am pretty interested though as to how this Pay-Per-View will develop in the Smackdown side of things, just because the next WWE pay-per-view, No Way Out, is a Smackdown PPV, and I am going to be attending it (since it will be in Baltimore, Maryland). I'm thinking Kurt Angle is still gonna be the champion.
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[Rob1981]

Royal Rumble just took place...


Here is the results, so be warned: SPOILERS!
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In the pre-show match, Fit Finley beat Brian Kendrick.

1: Gregory Helms won the Cruiserweight title in a 6-way that involved Kid Kash (the previous champ), Jamie Noble, Nunzio, Paul London+Funaki. (Helms pinned Funaki to win the match)

As a note- Helms is from Raw, so he will probably be transferred to Smackdown for whatever reason this week. I didn't actually see RR, so maybe they explained it?

2: Mickie James beat Ashley (Trish Stratus was the guest ref)

3: Boogey Man beat JBL in a quick match.

Why must WWE use JBL like this? JBL is talented, unlike Boogey Man. Boogey Man is a 40 year old no talent.

4: Rey Mysterio won the Royal Rumble. Surprise entrants were: Tatanka, Goldust and Eugene. Rob Van Dam also made his return in the RR.

I'm all for Rey being in the main event, but them using Eddie's name like this, is a little cheap and wrong if you ask me.

5: John Cena won the WWE world title from Edge, by making him submit to the STF.

Bad move by WWE. Edge deserves a longer title reign than that.

6: World champ Kurt Angle beat Mark Henry. After the match, Undertaker came out and challenged Kurt to a match at No Way Out.
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A big pile of crap. That's this year's Royal Rumble. Simply said. I'd never have thought the WWE would be able to come up with that. Honestly, this was the worst PPV in a long time. Oh it was so bad, I'm afraid of thinking back what happened.

Opener was good, the title change was a bit of a surprise and Helms was not really introduced as a possible contender, but he's a solid wrestler, has charisma and will be a good addition to the SD-roster and a good title holder. So it began in a nice way and I was hoping, the PPV would become quite amusing to watch. How I was wrong!

Second match - the woman's match, yep it was OK as well. Personally I don't care too much about all the women in WWE, but it had a bit of a story, it was wrestled as good as the ladies could, nothing to be ashamed of. Good work, let's get the next match on.

This was a farce. A shame. How on earth can you make JBL look so bad? He's an ex-champion, a mean bastard, a guy who is known for never giving up. Letting him lose to a relative newcomer and in this fashion, is really bad. For him and for WWE. It will take all his credibility away. It may help Boogeyman a bit, but after all he has to show more than one squash against JBL. No, I didn't like that one, not at all.

Next up, the Rumble. Wait, the Rumble? What's this? The Rumble is the Main Event of nearly every Rumble. OK, after watching the end of the show it's clear why they had to make it earlier, but it is not what I like about the Rumble. You have this great sort of match, the constant excitement culminating in great endings - you certainly shouldn't put it in the middle of the show. As for Rey winning - it's cheap. Extremely cheap. To picture it as "being for Eddie" is cheap. To have him go from 2 to the end, is cheap, too. You simply can't believe it. Watch that guy, he's smaller than my girlfriend. He's quick and agile and that's why I may believe him winning over a bigger guy in a one-on-one. But he's not believable in a match lasting for an hour. Not at all. Not when in the ring with guys like Triple H, RVD, Orton, Big Show, HBK, etc. I don't like him to be in the main event of Wrestlemania as well (although I have heard that they may "cheat" him of that title shot in a storyline). He's not a good match for any serious title holder.

Well, in the next match it got even worse. What on earth were the WWE writers thinking when they decided to give Cena the title back. He was booed in the match, he was booed at the end, he's booed everywhere he goes. This guy is done, over. He's just not accepted anymore. The ratings with Edge as champion were great, Edge did a great job (although I don't like him, I give him credit for how he did it, made me almost like him). Did they simply give him the title to get rid of his stipulation? What a bad move. And what now? Having Cena go against a heel Triple H at Wrestlemania and having the heel win the title? It doesn't make sense at all and I hate it.

Last one - Angle beating Henry - I had expected that one and it's good that it happened. Henry is not worthy of the title, he's not even worthy of fighting for it. Angle is a great champ and should stay champ for a while. As for Undertakers challenge - well, as long as he doesn't beat Angle at No Way Out, it's good. At least a contender that is credible. Although a face vs. face match (up to a certain degree both are faces) may not draw that much attention.

So all in all the PPV was bad. It had a good beginning and the end was somewhat OK, but the rest in between was horrible. I really hope WWE turns it around for the next shows, because otherwise I'd really think about stopping to follow them. It's simply not entertaining anymore.
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[Rob1981]

The Royal Rumble had it's bad points, but people are basically calling it bad because of 2 things: Rey winning it, and Cena winning the title back.


Wrestling plays with your emotions, and they certainly did a good job this time. On another message board site, people are having major hissy fits about the Rumble. Many claim to never watch WWE after RR, but I know that's not the case. Not everyone's favorites can always win, but somehow people always forget that.


Cena winning the title back is temporary most likely. He will lose to whoever at Wrestlemania most likely.

Rey probably won't main event at Wrestlemania. I believe I read somewhere he will lose his shot before WM, so people don't have to worry about that either.

JBL losing to Boogey Man so quick was the part of RR I hated the most. I mean come on now, Boogey Man is just the "flavor of the moment" right now. His worm eating and all that, will get old and I know it. Characters like Boogey Man don't last.
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