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linuxdoctor
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| LP-Trel wrote: | | linuxdoctor wrote: |
There are distros that I will not use and those are the Debian based distros. However, there is no technical reason why that is but, rather, moral and political. I object and oppose the Debian Social Contract which I consider to be democratic and egalitarian which are moral evils. Therefore, Debian and all distros derived from them are out. |
I object to and oppose people that object and oppose the Debian Social Contract therefore my use of Ubuntu is purely to spite linuxdoctor.  |
Good one. I don't mind people who object and oppose me. I worry when people agree with me! People agreeing with me makes me wonder where I went wrong. 
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I'm more of a FreeBSD user really (just look at Asgard running FreeBSD), but I've been known to run Debian based systems for portables. Just give me Fluxbox and FreeBSD 7.1 over Fedora bloatware any day.  |
The bloat is really GNOME and there I agree with you. My desktop runs Fedora but with the Icewm. I too like lightweight window managers and indeed I prefer using the shell than some feature-full-usefulness-devoid GUI application anyday.
My laptop on the other hand is a standard Fedora 10 out-of-the-box install. I don't really do much with it except surf the web and do e-mail when I'm not at home. It is, as you say, bloatware. I haven't yet tried Fluxbox maybe I'll do that on my laptop. 
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FreeBSD has gotten a lot better about wireless hardware in recent versions so I've moved one portable over to that. I also use Ubuntu for certain computers when I need to pull them out and use them for a bit without the need to specifically configure them for testing some software.
My favorite window manager is definitely Fluxbox (1.0 a.k.a. fluxbox-devel until it was updated in ports) with GNOME beyond that. I've found that most people asking to use your computer can get the hang of GNOME in a few minutes while fluxbox is a bit beyond them.
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I have used Mandrake 9, Red hat 7.5 and Fedora release 1.
Just been playing with it on an old lap top, but I prefer Fedora 1 to all of them. It just seems more complete.
Or maybe it is just because of the learning curve, Fedora 1 is my latest installation, maybe I am more comfortable with Linux now. Perhaps I will try them all again and see how they match up now that I am a little more experienced.
And I have also attempted to try Debian but it falls into the "too hard" category for me.  |
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Debian is more of a server distribution than anything else. I would try Ubuntu instead, but all of them you've mentioned are ancient.
Try Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 12, or CentOS 5 for something a lot more modern.
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Gentoo was pretty awesome. I had it installed on an ancient PC and it ran quite decent. What made me give up upon it was that OpenOffice occupied approximately 2 GB. And that applied to other programs too. I installed slackware and fell in love with it. It was just what I was looking for. I had Xfce as my desktop manager with Compiz fusion and it was the sexiest OS you could expect running on a computer like that. It ran smoothly and I had absolutely no problems with it. Slackware is a really great distro for old hardware. Instead of throwing away an old PC you should install a lightweight linux distro and use either as a sever or as a desktop. Of course I would have used Linux From Scratch if I had the proper knowledge to play with it.  Avoid Damn Small Linux at all costs. It doesn't even worth trying it.
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| LP-Trel wrote: | Debian is more of a server distribution than anything else. I would try Ubuntu instead, but all of them you've mentioned are ancient.
Try Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 12, or CentOS 5 for something a lot more modern. |
I disagree with that Trel, Debian is designed to adapt to whatever the users need is. It just requires more customization than Ubuntu to have that nice desktop feel that we like. |
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LP-SolidRaven
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The main issue with Fedora is that they refuse to include anything non-free. Especially graphics card drivers. And installing them isn't the easiest thing. And the chances of it going horribly wrong aren't small either. Then again, the only distro that managed to get that right was Ubuntu.
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linuxdoctor
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | The main issue with Fedora is that they refuse to include anything non-free. |
Yes, that's a big issue, however, the do it for self preservation. Many companies in past had been making threatening noises about suing anybody who included their proprietary soft/firmware in Linux distributions without paying for it.
As far as the ease of installation of these drivers go, we need to continually make noises to manufacturers that you are a Linux user who wants to use their hardware but will refuse to buy anything from them in the future unless they support Linux.
I do that all the time. Before I buy anything, I make sure that it works with Linux. If it doesn't I send off a nasty-but-polite e-mail to their customer support. Each time that manufacturer comes out with new hardware, I check the specifications and find out if it works with Linux. If it doesn't, off goes another e-mail to the manufacturer saying that I would really like the buy their hardware but they are making it impossible for me to do so unless and until they support Linux.
If you really want to support Linux and help it grow you also need to be somewhat activist. Telling manufacturers that you want to use their hardware and will buy it if they supported Linux is a very powerful way to get them to move. Many manufacturers are already using Linux to develop their products; they should also be supporting it.
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Android (on my droid). First long term linux os with actual usability that i've encountered so far. Might just be the purpose though.
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I usually have Ubuntu installed alongside Windows XP for various purposes, however I have to say my favourite distro would have to be Mandriva.
It looks fantastic and is wonderful to use. But because I spend very little time using any Linux distro, I usually just use Ubuntu. |
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linuxdoctor
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| The Grinch wrote: | | Android (on my droid). First long term linux os with actual usability that i've encountered so far. Might just be the purpose though. |
I've never understood the term 'usability'. It seems to me to be a highly subjective thing. I've been using Linux almost since it came out, which was in 1993. It's been perfectly 'usable' for me for all that time. In contrast, I have never found Windows usable. It is very unreliable, is very insecure, susceptible to misuse and attack and requires expensive proprietary software to do anything useful with it. That makes it not very useful to me.
Now, I don't use Windows or any other Microsoft product for moral reasons. However, even if that were not an issue, the non-usefulness Windows for me would still preclude my using it. I would still use Linux exclusively because, for me, it is has far greater 'usability' than Windows.
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mcwkm
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | requires expensive proprietary software to do anything useful with it. |
That statement is false as you can find open source software easily for windows. And a lot of popular linux apps are ported to windows. In fact there is development of KDE for windows |
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Atlantius
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If someone is newbie at Linux and Unix OS in general Ubuntu is the best one (user friendly).
I prefer Slackware
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pythelico
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I run Fedora 12 on both my work and personal laptops. Both are dual boot with Windows (some apps at work are internally developed and they don't have linux versions available).
I've got a home desktop that I'm going to put CentOS 5.4 on this weekend just for something a little closer to the RHEL dist to play around with.
I've run Ubuntu before but I'm just as happy with Fedora. As for the non-free software, repositories to address that issue are easy to find with a quick google search.
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